..in regards to emotional/culture aspect of players.. ..and i agree there's a big element of that.. ..i think you can't go past Carrots and Krooz..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

MM has played Lucas every week he has been available.

He isn't going anywhere.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Lets get BOOF on recruiting staff #findthefootballingagar

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Get comfortable being uncomfortable

Yep. And trade for pick 1 to draft Ashton Agar.

Lets say Mick plays the likes of Laidler, Warnock and Duigan etc and we finish 6th...... does that justify Mick making up to 12 changes to the list at seasons end and commence a mini rebuild or would supporters be up in arms that we are close to top four and he should top up?

This list needs a massive clean out. Now or never is the time to start a rebuild and getting our recruiting right has never been more important.

I honestly believe if we finished inside the eight, supporters would not buy into the huge 'dramatic' list overhaul that's been mentioned by several clubs reps.

Only way Lucas is going anywhere is if he wants to leave. Mick wont be letting him go anytime soon.

Planning for a rebuild of the list has been in action for some time.

Some home truths were told by Mick to the board. They are buying in.

Let me ask you this.... Do any of you really think we have the talent to win a flag in the next year or two?

I don't.

So if we finished I the eight and play a final or two. Come the end of the season whe players like Yarran and Betts might be thrown up as trade bait, how would supporters react to that?

They be tearing down Visy park because they think we should top up seeing we made finals.

Where as a rebuild and the idea of trading a star or two is a easier sell to supporters if expectations have been lowered.

That's how it works.

You're right. We don't have the ticker to get close to a GF.
Betts won't be traded. He'd go as a Free Agent if he wishes. Yarran needs to pull his finger out. So much talent with too much unwarranted attitude just yet.
I'm with Synners. Bring down the board/pres and make them accountable for our ordinary performance off-field into on-field.
Gotta a shape up....

Great logic.
Plan to finish lower so our players have ZERO currency come seasons end.
Give it up mate. You've already embarrassed yourself with your "inside mail" about Mick intentionally losing games.
You're just digging the hole deeper.

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..agreed, getting finals footy into as much of the 'new breed' as possible is the way to go, rebuild or no rebuild.. ....he also has to get the players he wants, playing the style he wants as quickly and consistently as possible.. ..that's just as important as reshaping the list.. ..we will either scrape into the finals, or we won't.. ..the way you're talking it up trublu, it's as if we could play some guys and be 6th, or we can slip down to what?, 12th, 13th..?..

..redonkeylous..

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Worst inside mail ever.

Clearly he's not re-building the list, he just doesn't rate Laidler and Duigan. If he was genuinely rebuilding he'd have Menzel, Graham, McCarthy, Temay in the side this week. Instead the master coach has picked a side full of injured blokes, hoping that they can squeeze out a win and keep us in touching distance of the eight.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Two words: j.scarponi!!

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increasing their trade value

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

lol

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

It may sound bizarre to some of you but there's a certain logic to it. I don't know about Duigan with a lowish pick but the likes of Laidler and Rowe were never going to be the types to win us a premiership. I don't believe in scrapping for every win and taking every season as it comes, leave that to North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

It’s easy to just talk about rebuilding but who do we keep and who do we trade and for what value.
Geelong, Hawthorn and even Collingwood don’t trade out any of their best 10-15 players unless they have a readymade replacement junior or the player wants to leave.
They get rid of the fringe players and top up in areas they are lacking or need support.
It’s easy to talk about rebuilding but first you need to consider how far away our youngsters are and what position needs filled and for what amount of time until the others start coming on.
We need to play our young players now especially our KP’s now and start our rotations of mids, discipline the comfortable lazy seniors, enforce some standards and responsibilities, starting from himself.
MM needs to get his structures right now for next year with the players that will be here for the tilt or the seniors have to be traded for value picks and we start again with only the players taht are willing to work for a collective achievement.
If they want to act like children treat them like children but for !@#$ sake take a direction.
So far he has been going around in circles with no approach for the future or the aim of a ladder position.