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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:47 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???


It isnt about the people, its about the culture and the structure.
If we had a quality structure with accountability McKay may not be in the role, Ratten wouldnt have got the job and we wouldnt have appointed another coach until we knew the best way forward.
Malthouse is operating under the same system. People say "MM will sort it out", they're dreaming.

We need external people to come in, go through the club like a dose of salts and set up a structure that makes people accountable. We need best practice, not "Carlton swagger"
The review should have taken place mid last year at the latest.
Then they can appoint staff knowing what their roles and responsibilities are going forward.

We have lame duck assistants and average at best football staff. Why, because their is zero accountability. People are given responsibilities beyond their capabilities.
Why, because the people who are making the decisions are doing them on the run. Make it up as you go.

Without a full and comprehensive external review, nothing has or will change.

Posters say I'm against Malthouse. I'm actually against the process that appointed him. Or lack of process I should say.
Its wallpapering over the cracks with expensive wallpaper.


We need to follow a thorough, rigourous process ... just like Melbourne did with Bailey and Neeld. :razz:


It doesnt matter how rigorous your process, if you dont have the right people or organisation doing it, you're pissing into the wind.
Melbourne are like Carlton, an unprofessional middle of the road organisation making it up as they go.
Ask David Parkin. He tells anyone who will listen that the clubs that are secure and mature enough to have their people and structures reviewed are the clubs that historically have gone on to be successful.
History tells us that.

Try looking at the big picture. (Not the one in your colouring book) :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:43 pm 
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When did Melbourne have a review of their football club from top to bottom?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:16 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
When did Melbourne have a review of their football club from top to bottom?


Peter Jackson has done/is currently doing one.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:23 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
When did Melbourne have a review of their football club from top to bottom?


They didnt. He's off on another tangent....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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When did Melbourne have a review of their football club from top to bottom?


Peter Jackson has done/is currently doing one.



He did it when?... they have just a bout hit 50 years....

you now melbourne used to be a powerhouse till the mid 60s....

somehow they believed that they had all the answers too.....

"we dont need outsiders telling us what to do"

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:04 pm 
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Question: Name another AFL club whose President is an ex-player?

Answer:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:15 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Question: Name another AFL club whose President is an ex-player?

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melbourne used to... and yeah get your point....

Essendon* son of ex player

and us

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:35 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
Question: Name another AFL club whose President is an ex-player?

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melbourne used to... and yeah get your point....

Essendon* son of ex player

and us


AFL is big business. Not here to denigrate Stick's commercial ability (apparently has done well in the printing industry) but leadership of AFL club these days requires many many skills and qualities.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..


Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:43 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???


It isnt about the people, its about the culture and the structure.
If we had a quality structure with accountability McKay may not be in the role, Ratten wouldnt have got the job and we wouldnt have appointed another coach until we knew the best way forward.
Malthouse is operating under the same system. People say "MM will sort it out", they're dreaming.

We need external people to come in, go through the club like a dose of salts and set up a structure that makes people accountable. We need best practice, not "Carlton swagger"
The review should have taken place mid last year at the latest.
Then they can appoint staff knowing what their roles and responsibilities are going forward.

We have lame duck assistants and average at best football staff. Why, because their is zero accountability. People are given responsibilities beyond their capabilities.
Why, because the people who are making the decisions are doing them on the run. Make it up as you go.

Without a full and comprehensive external review, nothing has or will change.

Posters say I'm against Malthouse. I'm actually against the process that appointed him. Or lack of process I should say.
Its wallpapering over the cracks with expensive wallpaper.


We need to follow a thorough, rigourous process ... just like Melbourne did with Bailey and Neeld. :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:49 pm 
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What's joke when you tune into AFL 360 to hear that fat slob Robbo say "Carlton didn't pay Mick a million a year to rebuild a list" is pathetic and poor reporting.

Malthouse could earn up to a million if he were to do the unthinkable and take us to our 17th premiership.

His annual salary is no where near a million. It results based. Each week we progress in finals he earns more and more.

But people like slobbo get of on such outlandish statements.

Wy doesn't he say something like "Essendon* didn't pay James Hird a million a year to inject the players with substances banned for human consumption"


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:01 am 
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Trublu,
A smart coach and a good organisation would do both, win games with players such as Hampson, Laidler & Duigan while evaluating the list as well.
"If" your right in what you are saying about Malthouse basically tanking then CFC have lost me for ever as of now. I have a feeling though that these are just more excuses being rolled out to cover embarrassing performances!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:37 am 
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trublu wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..


Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


Obviously they have deficiencies in their game and he wants them to address them in the VFL. It's nothing new. All coaches do it.
I applaud it.
Let's be serious, to suggest we are hiding players in the VFL so we'll deliberately underperform is beyond stupidity.
I know you're trying to impress everyone with your "inside mail" but please, try to invent something remotely plausible.

If Malthouse is doing that, he should be sacked on the spot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:01 am 
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trublu wrote:
Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


I've never read anything more bizarre on this forum...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:06 am 
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..MM isn't hiding players to tank, get off it.. .... ..yeah, on six wins, somehow the bottom clubs are gonna overtake us and we'll screw around for half a season [or more] to drop down the ladder..?.. ..bollocks of the big hairy sort..

..Duigan isn't good enough, Laids after that knee isnt good enough.. ..Hampson has never been good enough for more than a few weeks at a time, ditto Knockers.. ..the list hasn't had good depth in over a decade now.. ..suddenly we're hiding players..??!!..

..fact is, the list was never good enough, and was being groomed to play a style of football that was never good enough..

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:09 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
trublu wrote:
Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


I've never read anything more bizarre on this forum...


Hey, follow his posts.
There's more where that came from..... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:19 am 
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..the 'long game' that MM plays, is development based.. ..have seen him plenty of times leave a young player on an opponent, when said player is losing the contest, as part of the 'learning curve'..

..the tank, for the most part,, is kaput..

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:23 am 
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trublu wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..


Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


Which is pretty obvious when you look at the huge number of debutantes we've played this year.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:02 am 
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So you think Mick is that retarded that he can't identify how a Laidler, Duigan and Warnock wouldn't strengthen this side?

Mick is gob smacked by the financial contracts some of these players are on.

But Clearly laider, duigan, warnock would strengthen our side significantly.......so why isn't he playing them?

He has played Davies, Bootsma and Mcinnes before them.

Reason...... Playing them would strengthen the side but that only plug holes and gets us no where.

Before the embarrassing loss to the pies, Greg swan said there would be significant changes to the list at seasons end.

Its pretty clear that a decision to rebuild had been made early on in the piece but that doesn't stop Mick trying to get the best out of the boys that run out on the field.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:07 am 
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trublu wrote:
So you think Mick is that retarder that he can't identify Laidler, Duigan and Warnock wouldn't strengthen this side?
Mick is gob smacked by the financial contracts some players are on.
But Clearly laider, duigan, warnock would strengthen our side significantly.......so why isn't he playing them?


Duigan wouldn't strengthen our side. Hard at it player but too slow and not nimble enough.

Laidler at his best would be a starter. It's just that he's not at his best.
Had a screw removed from his knee and is likely out for a period of time.

Mick wants more from Warnock, hence why he's played forward in the past few weeks.

No conspiracy involved.


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