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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:54 am 
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Hey trublu, don't say you've gone, say you've knocked off for a smoko..


Anyway, are you saying Malthouse is tanking??? I find that all too hard to believe.
I think we've really struggled with his game plan at times.
It was evident again on Friday night. I'm not even sure i like the gameplan. I have had Pagan flashbacks at times. Cold sweat stuff


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:29 am 
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trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:56 am 
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Going the tank again.....some people just never learn. :yikes:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:28 am 
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Tanking is often a consequence of a club having a bad culture. I doubt it's ever the cause of it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:40 am 
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So setting up a side to lose games is not a culture you build into your mindset over 2or3 years. Ok then, please continue.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:47 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
So setting up a side to lose games is not a culture you build into your mindset over 2or3 years. Ok then, please continue.



ok so you are blaming judd murphy kreuzer and gibbs!!!... :yikes:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:48 am 
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Collingwood tanked for one year and won a premiership on the back of it. I didn't see them suddenly turn into a bunch of inward thinking brooders who don't know how to properly compete. The bad culture comes first, the tanking second.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:52 am 
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Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
So setting up a side to lose games is not a culture you build into your mindset over 2or3 years. Ok then, please continue.



ok so you are baming judd murphy kreuzer and gibbs!!!... :yikes:


Yep. Only one of those bleeds when we lose!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:56 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
So setting up a side to lose games is not a culture you build into your mindset over 2or3 years. Ok then, please continue.



ok so you are baming judd murphy kreuzer and gibbs!!!... :yikes:


Yep. Only one of those bleeds when we lose!


only women bleed.....[Youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19hAu_qPb8[Youtube]

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:08 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:26 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???


I have to agree Synbad. For me, things started looking a bit NQR once Icke left.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:50 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


So Paganite, with all your 'inside knowledge' are you are saying that this week we'll actually get to see a number of young blokes have a run?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:38 pm 
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Here's a thought : how many really good KPP have come from mid to late draft picks?

I raise this in response to what seems like a lot of criticism aimed at our 2010 "three talls" draft, my point
being that perhaps expectations have been unreasonably high.

Without doing copious amounts of research : Hurley, Franklin, Roughead, Brown, Clark,
Kennedy ( :sad: ), Hendo ( :smile: ), Hawkins (F/S), Cloke (F/S), Waite (F/S), Tippett,
Reiwoldts, Cameron

..... All early picks.

There's been a few stuff ups : Thorpe (Haw), Watts (maybe), Gumbleton.

Not too many really good ones from late in the draft though.

Jamo stands out. Petrie was #23. Daniel Merrett #30.

Can't think of any others ... feel free to update me.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:44 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Here's a thought : how many really good KPP have come from mid to late draft picks?

I raise this in response to what seems like a lot of criticism aimed at our 2010 "three talls" draft, my point
being that perhaps expectations have been unreasonably high.

Without doing copious amounts of research : Hurley, Franklin, Roughead, Brown, Clark,
Kennedy ( :sad: ), Hendo ( :smile: ), Hawkins (F/S), Cloke (F/S), Waite (F/S), Tippett,
Reiwoldts, Cameron

..... All early picks.

There's been a few stuff ups : Thorpe (Haw), Watts (maybe), Gumbleton.

Not too many really good ones from late in the draft though.

Jamo stands out. Petrie was #23. Daniel Merrett #30.

Can't think of any others ... feel free to update me.



tippett?
cox??
podsy
h taylor

off the top of my head

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Here's a thought : how many really good KPP have come from mid to late draft picks?

I raise this in response to what seems like a lot of criticism aimed at our 2010 "three talls" draft, my point
being that perhaps expectations have been unreasonably high.

Without doing copious amounts of research : Hurley, Franklin, Roughead, Brown, Clark,
Kennedy ( :sad: ), Hendo ( :smile: ), Hawkins (F/S), Cloke (F/S), Waite (F/S), Tippett,
Reiwoldts, Cameron

..... All early picks.

There's been a few stuff ups : Thorpe (Haw), Watts (maybe), Gumbleton.

Not too many really good ones from late in the draft though.

Jamo stands out. Petrie was #23. Daniel Merrett #30.

Can't think of any others ... feel free to update me.



tippet - 32
cox - rookie
podsy - rookie
h taylor - 17

off the top of my head

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:50 pm 
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We're tanking by not playing Duigan, Hampson and Laidler?

Seems legit...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:51 pm 
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dane wrote:
Synbad wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Here's a thought : how many really good KPP have come from mid to late draft picks?

I raise this in response to what seems like a lot of criticism aimed at our 2010 "three talls" draft, my point
being that perhaps expectations have been unreasonably high.

Without doing copious amounts of research : Hurley, Franklin, Roughead, Brown, Clark,
Kennedy ( :sad: ), Hendo ( :smile: ), Hawkins (F/S), Cloke (F/S), Waite (F/S), Tippett,
Reiwoldts, Cameron

..... All early picks.

There's been a few stuff ups : Thorpe (Haw), Watts (maybe), Gumbleton.

Not too many really good ones from late in the draft though.

Jamo stands out. Petrie was #23. Daniel Merrett #30.

Can't think of any others ... feel free to update me.



tippet - 32
cox - rookie
podsy - rookie
h taylor - 17

off the top of my head




taylor was 21 though not 18 clubs didnt pick him up for 3 or 4 drafts...

Taylor Walker??

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:27 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???


It isnt about the people, its about the culture and the structure.
If we had a quality structure with accountability McKay may not be in the role, Ratten wouldnt have got the job and we wouldnt have appointed another coach until we knew the best way forward.
Malthouse is operating under the same system. People say "MM will sort it out", they're dreaming.

We need external people to come in, go through the club like a dose of salts and set up a structure that makes people accountable. We need best practice, not "Carlton swagger"
The review should have taken place mid last year at the latest.
Then they can appoint staff knowing what their roles and responsibilities are going forward.

We have lame duck assistants and average at best football staff. Why, because their is zero accountability. People are given responsibilities beyond their capabilities.
Why, because the people who are making the decisions are doing them on the run. Make it up as you go.

Without a full and comprehensive external review, nothing has or will change.

Posters say I'm against Malthouse. I'm actually against the process that appointed him. Or lack of process I should say.
Its wallpapering over the cracks with expensive wallpaper.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
dane wrote:
Synbad wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Here's a thought : how many really good KPP have come from mid to late draft picks?

I raise this in response to what seems like a lot of criticism aimed at our 2010 "three talls" draft, my point
being that perhaps expectations have been unreasonably high.

Without doing copious amounts of research : Hurley, Franklin, Roughead, Brown, Clark,
Kennedy ( :sad: ), Hendo ( :smile: ), Hawkins (F/S), Cloke (F/S), Waite (F/S), Tippett,
Reiwoldts, Cameron

..... All early picks.

There's been a few stuff ups : Thorpe (Haw), Watts (maybe), Gumbleton.

Not too many really good ones from late in the draft though.

Jamo stands out. Petrie was #23. Daniel Merrett #30.

Can't think of any others ... feel free to update me.



tippet - 32
cox - rookie
podsy - rookie
h taylor - 17

off the top of my head




taylor was 21 though not 18 clubs didnt pick him up for 3 or 4 drafts...

Taylor Walker??


H Taylor - What does that have to do with anything?
Walker - NSW Zone selection.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:23 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick is very smart and calculated.

I know a part of his decisions not play a few players has to do with the money they are being paid compared to their lack of out put but.......

Playing the likes of Laidler, Duigan and Hampson would have probably won us a extra game or two but is that the result Mick really wants?

I believe the position we are in something Mick has set out to achieve. This means now most supporters can accept that we need a mini rebuild where as plugging a few holes with Laidler and Duigan would only continue the wrong path we've been on which clearly thinks isn't good enough.


Righhhht. So Mick is intentionally making us play shitfull to show the supporters how bad the list is.

This site is blessed to have such impeccable inside mail letting the supporters know exactly what makes this magnificent club and coaches tick..



BV Andy McKay happens to agree with it though.....

is it just MAlthouse??

Or is Andy McKAy too weak to do his job therefore shouldnt be there...

im not sure how McKay isnt being mentioned at all...

only at Carton would that be the case....

We keep hearing MM MM MM MM whatabout AM???

Whats his role???


It isnt about the people, its about the culture and the structure.
If we had a quality structure with accountability McKay may not be in the role, Ratten wouldnt have got the job and we wouldnt have appointed another coach until we knew the best way forward.
Malthouse is operating under the same system. People say "MM will sort it out", they're dreaming.

We need external people to come in, go through the club like a dose of salts and set up a structure that makes people accountable. We need best practice, not "Carlton swagger"
The review should have taken place mid last year at the latest.
Then they can appoint staff knowing what their roles and responsibilities are going forward.

We have lame duck assistants and average at best football staff. Why, because their is zero accountability. People are given responsibilities beyond their capabilities.
Why, because the people who are making the decisions are doing them on the run. Make it up as you go.

Without a full and comprehensive external review, nothing has or will change.

Posters say I'm against Malthouse. I'm actually against the process that appointed him. Or lack of process I should say.
Its wallpapering over the cracks with expensive wallpaper.


We need to follow a thorough, rigourous process ... just like Melbourne did with Bailey and Neeld. :razz:


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