Dont play the man Blues Clues, you're better than that.
You claim the facts about our list enhancement are overlooked here. I simply questioned that theory.
Heres your opportunity, justify your comments.
You state we "had our hands tied" yet we offered a player a bucketload of money. Which is it?

Diverting attention to my opinion of Malthouse is just that, a diversion from the topic. FWIW, I dont "hate the bloke with a passion"
Suggesting you have any idea about my feelings for anyone is folly.
Lets try sticking to the actual debate.

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Some of these filters in vogue can throw down some mosaic looks pretty quickly. The current version of Flash allows you to throw up some filters on-the-fly in a web application. Who knows what was applied to it, but it's obviously genuine.

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BV...my take on the end of last year is that all our players bar those who were let go were under contract, and there wasn't much room in the cap. The word at the time (who knows how true it was) was that players were asked if they would take pay cuts to get Cloke in, and agreed. There is no other way we could have fitted another $1m in the cap without that happening.

It would also have required delisting a contracted player, and paying him out. The Club was clearly prepared to do this to get Cloke (it seems certain that we did make Cloke an offer), and wear the consequences, but couldn't or wouldn't do it in general trading.

As I said, there's no inside information in that, just how I saw it from the outside, and from discussion, articles etc. Manthouse's hands were tied, but for the big fish, they would have found a way.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I appeciate the response Siegfried but I dont see it that way. If the club had the flexibility to renegotiate contracts to grasp 1 million dollars, they surely could have accessed a lot less to pay out a couple of pissy contracts like Davies and Joseph.
Lets face it, they'd be on buggar all anyway.

The coach said he was satisfied with the list, subsequently the coach said he thought we could be premiership contenders.
He then proceeded to tour the country during the trade period.
Surely those facts tell us we didnt make the effort to make any substantial changes to the list?
I know people on TC are telling us we had our hands tied but surely the coach and clubs comments should carry more weight?

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Errrr this is the Carlton football club

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Paul Roos looks like going to Melbourne after knocking back Carlton.

Paul Roos would have been in the same position.

Why would he work with a dysfunctional and dishonest club?

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Melbourne and Carlton fall into that catergory.

Looks like he still prefers Melbourne though.

No the AFL took control of MElb now i reckon....it will be a whole new ball game

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Exactly. What some people on here fail to realise is Mick's hands were in NO way tied.

Players can be traded. It has been going on for years.

Mick liked the list enough to take a few weeks off including trade week. From there he hoped the stars aligned.

club the man responsible for the footy dept was mckay.. he knows the list ... he knows their minds.. whats his role???

lets be fair.....

mick doesnt know the ins and outs of our list... like mckay does...

and the club knew when mick commenced his employment.....

but mckay was there...

you blokes dont address the elephant in the room... as footy operations MANAGER... and someone whos ob it was to assess the list knowing it intimatey.. what was MCKAY DOING???

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Let me put it another way....

What would Balme have done???.... nothing???

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yes club mckays hands were not tied... !!!

footy operations manager whos job it is to go over the list and know it inside out....

know who can make it.. who cant... etc...

look for a couple of players to fill in some of the holes

mick was in the media... mckay was at the club.. who would know our list better??

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I doubt Mick looked at the list and saw 3 Rucks on decent contracts, a million half backers and one too many overpayed small forwards. A list that had no ticker and he wanted that adjusted but Andy Mackay told him that the list is fine so Mick just took a holiday.

The odds are more stacked that he looked at the list and thought he could perform miracles ( the miracles even you thought he could perform). Ego.

What was to come was so obvious. Not sure how you missed it. Maybe you let yourself get sidetracked.

I haven't seen so much deflecting since the last federal election.

My reply may have been a little robust BV, but no offence intended.

Re Cloke, I suspect that existing contracts would have been "reworked" to get him under the cap - the mail was that the players were keen to get him on board and some short term monetary sacrifices would have been made.

Ok, you may not hate MM, but I still find your views on him and his coaching prowess to be a little unbalanced. I'm struggling to recall any positive post you've made re MM since he came across (though I stand to be corrected). I loathe Clarkson, but can still find it in me to acknowledge that he's a fine footy coach. His coaching in the 2008 GF was amongst the best I've ever seen.

I stand back and look at the Pies now and the marvel at the culture and pride embedded into that playing group - it has MM written all over it. Bucks played under him and was part of his coaching team, it could only hold him in good stead too.

BTW, it was his daughter's book that he was promoting, not his own. Sure, it wasn't an ideal thing to do, but I respect the fact that he is a man of family values and principle, every club and successful organisiation needs people of character at the top.

Balme would have given Southby a roundhouse right from behind.

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hahaha... so what is the role of the footy operations manager???

you dont answer the question about WHAT IS MCKAYS ROLE ?????

yes sure u can point at mm.. but whats mckays role and responsibilities around the club???

is itttttttttttttttttttttt.... say... ummmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr footy operations manager ?????

was i right???

you see!!!.. its the prblem with the footy club.. ...........................and unlike surrey youre playing dumb!!!

were shit everywhere!!!.... and we hate to blame carlton people... its easier to blame mick...

but the problem doesnt go away does it???

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I don't know the answer to your question. Not even sure why you are directing it at me with such enthusiasm. I have never cared who was the football manager was as long as it wasn't Icke.

I am sure if Mick wanted changes to the list he would have got them. If you think he wouldn't have because Andrew Mackay was blocking him then you would be the only person in the world that would think that.

i am directing it at u.... of course.....

so ickes no good... mckay not doing is job is???

whats the role of mckay then???

hes there
he knows the players

the club was aware mick doesnt start till later.... whats mckay doing???

nothing??

the club stops??... and footy operations manager plays solitair??

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