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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:54 am 
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aramari wrote:
Since Yarran got a nomination in 2010, there have been 62 nominees. Carlton have had zero.

The only team to have had no nominees in that time is Carlton

Geelong 5 Hawthorn 4 BTW


Gee, that about sums it up for me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:08 am 
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Why trade Kruezer and Warnock all of a sudden??
These two when healthy are the best duo ruck in the league.

Yes Kruezer has been down a little in the last couple of weeks, but just wait until Warnock to take the number ruck spot back, it will ease Kruz a lot.


Sorry but this made me laugh. Even when both fit and in form.....in the bottom 2-3 ruck combinations in the league.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:12 am 
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Pickle wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why trade Kruezer and Warnock all of a sudden??
These two when healthy are the best duo ruck in the league.

Yes Kruezer has been down a little in the last couple of weeks, but just wait until Warnock to take the number ruck spot back, it will ease Kruz a lot.


Sorry but this made me laugh. Even when both fit and in form.....in the bottom 2-3 ruck combinations in the league.


I think your comment is the laughable one. :clap:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:21 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
aramari wrote:
Since Yarran got a nomination in 2010, there have been 62 nominees. Carlton have had zero.

The only team to have had no nominees in that time is Carlton

Geelong 5 Hawthorn 4 BTW


Gee, that about sums it up for me.


It does all right. This should be a KPI for recruiting staff and based on our results they should be sacked. Why Hughes is into his 10th year at Carlton in various recruiting roles is beyond me.

The key to recruiting to me is in rounds 2-4 in the main draft (or even after top 10). Most of the top tens pick themselves. Certainly pick 1. Rookie are hit and miss. We have done quite well here but don't forget we have turned over quite a lot. So back to rounds 2-4 in the draft. I can't think of many good picks over 12 years.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:22 am 
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Lol.....Malthouse can coach but cannot make 8th spot with a full list but others can't because they did 't make finals with a quarter of the list available.


Was it Mathouse who sprayed the shots at goal that would ve given us at least 2-3 more wins this year ? No!
Is it Malthouse who decides to shirk hard contests ? No!
Is it Malthouse who turns the ball over and capitulates under pressure ? No!

2011 was Ratten's 'Pièce de résistance', and that was 5th after 4 years in charge.
That's the best he could do. FOUR YEARS and he still couldn't crack the top 4!
Listen to people from Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney etc and they'll tell you how seriously they took our team under Ratten
How did Ratts leave Wayne Hughes as head or recruiting for years, when it was obvious we were underperforming in that area year after year.
It was Ratts who wanted Warnock. It was Ratten who wanted Chris Johnson. It was Ratten who swapped Pick 11 for Brock. It was Ratten who wanted Collins from Richmond for Grigg.
It was Ratten sitting right there next to WH on National Draft day oking his selections like Lucas, Bootsma, and Watson. Don't tell me it wasn't his fault as well as WH's!
It was Ratten who created a ;downhill skiers' gameplan, that once defeated, had no answer.
Where were the Key Position talent that came through under Ratts ? Hendo fell into his lap so you cant point to that. Ratts wanted Bradshaw and Riscatelli. And in any case, Hendo is playing his best footy now under Mick.
Where's the Fev replacement that Ratts had 3 years to come up with ?
The Ratten/ Judd/Sticks era was a missed opportunity.
The cronies ran the Club to the ground.

Mick knows what it takes to climb the mountain.
He wanted to make changes last year, but couldn't because of our cap and the list management mess left behind by Ratts, Sticks and the other cronies.
Once he discovered the mess our list was in, expectations were culled back dramatically.
Whether people liked it or not, this year was always going to be a 'gap year'.
Mick has a proven record. I KNOW he'll get the right people into the club to get us up there.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:22 am 
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dane wrote:
Pickle wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why trade Kruezer and Warnock all of a sudden??
These two when healthy are the best duo ruck in the league.

Yes Kruezer has been down a little in the last couple of weeks, but just wait until Warnock to take the number ruck spot back, it will ease Kruz a lot.


Sorry but this made me laugh. Even when both fit and in form.....in the bottom 2-3 ruck combinations in the league.


I think your comment is the laughable one. :clap:


Go work for Hughesy and co.....they love this kind of validation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:24 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Lol.....Malthouse can coach but cannot make 8th spot with a full list but others can't because they did 't make finals with a quarter of the list available.


Was it Mathouse who sprayed the shots at goal that would ve given us at least 2-3 more wins this year ? No!
Is it Malthouse who decides to shirk hard contests ? No!
Is it Malthouse who turns the ball over and capitulates under pressure ? No!

2011 was Ratten's 'Pièce de résistance', and that was 5th after 4 years in charge.
That's the best he could do. FOUR YEARS and he still couldn't crack the top 4!
Listen to people from Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney etc and they'll tell you how seriously they took our team under Ratten
How did Ratts leave Wayne Hughes as head or recruiting for years, when it was obvious we were underperforming in that area year after year.
It was Ratts who wanted Warnock. It was Ratten who wanted Chris Johnson. It was Ratten who swapped Pick 11 for Brock. It was Ratten who wanted Collins from Richmond for Grigg.
It was Ratten sitting right there next to WH on National Draft day oking his selections like Lucas, Bootsma, and Watson. Don't tell me it wasn't his fault as well as WH's!
It was Ratten who created a ;downhill skiers' gameplan, that once defeated, had no answer.
Where were the Key Position talent that came through under Ratts ? Hendo fell into his lap so you cant point to that. Ratts wanted Bradshaw and Riscatelli. And in any case, Hendo is playing his best footy now under Mick.
Where's the Fev replacement that Ratts had 3 years to come up with ?

Mick knows what it takes to climb the mountain.
He wanted to make changes last year, but couldn't because of our cap and the list management mess left behind by Ratts, Sticks and the other cronies.
Once he discovered the mess our list was in, expectations were culled back dramatically.
Whether people liked it or not, this year was always going to be a 'gap year'.
Mick has a proven record. I KNOW he'll get the right people into the club to get us up there.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:25 am 
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Pickle wrote:
dane wrote:
Pickle wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why trade Kruezer and Warnock all of a sudden??
These two when healthy are the best duo ruck in the league.

Yes Kruezer has been down a little in the last couple of weeks, but just wait until Warnock to take the number ruck spot back, it will ease Kruz a lot.


Sorry but this made me laugh. Even when both fit and in form.....in the bottom 2-3 ruck combinations in the league.


I think your comment is the laughable one. :clap:


Go work for Hughesy and co.....they love this kind of validation.


Go on and validate your statement.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:27 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Lol.....Malthouse can coach but cannot make 8th spot with a full list but others can't because they did 't make finals with a quarter of the list available.


Was it Mathouse who sprayed the shots at goal that would ve given us at least 2-3 more wins this year ? No!
Is it Malthouse who decides to shirk hard contests ? No!
Is it Malthouse who turns the ball over and capitulates under pressure ? No!

2011 was Ratten's 'Pièce de résistance', and that was 5th after 4 years in charge.
That's the best he could do. FOUR YEARS and he still couldn't crack the top 4!
Listen to people from Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney etc and they'll tell you how seriously they took our team under Ratten
How did Ratts leave Wayne Hughes as head or recruiting for years, when it was obvious we were underperforming in that area year after year.
It was Ratts who wanted Warnock. It was Ratten who wanted Chris Johnson. It was Ratten who swapped Pick 11 for Brock. It was Ratten who wanted Collins from Richmond for Grigg.
It was Ratten sitting right there next to WH on National Draft day oking his selections like Lucas, Bootsma, and Watson. Don't tell me it wasn't his fault as well as WH's!
It was Ratten who created a ;downhill skiers' gameplan, that once defeated, had no answer.
Where were the Key Position talent that came through under Ratts ? Hendo fell into his lap so you cant point to that. Ratts wanted Bradshaw and Riscatelli. And in any case, Hendo is playing his best footy now under Mick.
Where's the Fev replacement that Ratts had 3 years to come up with ?

Mick knows what it takes to climb the mountain.
He wanted to make changes last year, but couldn't because of our cap and the list management mess left behind by Ratts, Sticks and the other cronies.
Once he discovered the mess our list was in, expectations were culled back dramatically.
Whether people liked it or not, this year was always going to be a 'gap year'.
Mick has a proven record. I KNOW he'll get the right people into the club to get us up there.


I agree with most of this.
Bit harsh on Bootsma and Lucas.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:30 am 
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dane wrote:
Pickle wrote:
dane wrote:
Pickle wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why trade Kruezer and Warnock all of a sudden??
These two when healthy are the best duo ruck in the league.

Yes Kruezer has been down a little in the last couple of weeks, but just wait until Warnock to take the number ruck spot back, it will ease Kruz a lot.


Sorry but this made me laugh. Even when both fit and in form.....in the bottom 2-3 ruck combinations in the league.


I think your comment is the laughable one. :clap:


Go work for Hughesy and co.....they love this kind of validation.


Go on and validate your statement.


Do you really agree that a fit Warnock and Kruezer are the best AFL combination? I'm saying bottom 2-3. The game has changed since Warnock started. No place for him now. It's no even a combination when a fit Warnock can't even get a game.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:30 am 
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Also it was Ratten that wanted Sam Rowe instead of Jordan Murdoch.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:37 am 
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dane wrote:
Bit harsh on Bootsma and Lucas.


Don't think so.
Would ve been happy with these players if picked at picks 30+, but Pick 20 for scrawny Boots who'd hardly played WAFL or rep footy ? Seriously ?
And Pick 12 for Lucas ? A soft pretty boy who is a turnover king?
Come on!
Dont forget Hughes also rated Robbo as a Top 10 pick!!
SERIOUSLY.... Other clubs would ve been sitting back and laughing their butts off at our recruiting over the years.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:40 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
trublu wrote:
How many rising star nominations have we had in the past 5 years. Two or three? Kruezer, Gartlett and Yarran. I'm not even sure Kruezer scored a nom


..krooz got 1 early on in his career, after half a dozen games or so.. ..yep for yazz and garlett, also grigg and joseph.. ..lucas too from memory..?.. [or maybe not]

Yes, Kruezer got nominated after the Port game when he kicked 3 or 4 goals to win the game, Lucas hasnt been nominated nor should he have. Robbo did get ripped off and should have been nominated several times.
Other than that we have not much in the way of good young talent, last years group excluded.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:41 am 
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I know ever recruiter says this....."we were really surprised player x slipped through to us".....it's funny to look back on some of Hughes' decisions now. Mistakes are made in life and business. It's the lack of accountability over his 10 years I don't understand. Must be a great bloke. Maybe that's all that matters these days at CFC.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:52 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Lol.....Malthouse can coach but cannot make 8th spot with a full list but others can't because they did 't make finals with a quarter of the list available.


Was it Mathouse who sprayed the shots at goal that would ve given us at least 2-3 more wins this year ? No!
Is it Malthouse who decides to shirk hard contests ? No!
Is it Malthouse who turns the ball over and capitulates under pressure ? No!

2011 was Ratten's 'Pièce de résistance', and that was 5th after 4 years in charge.
That's the best he could do. FOUR YEARS and he still couldn't crack the top 4!
Listen to people from Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney etc and they'll tell you how seriously they took our team under Ratten
How did Ratts leave Wayne Hughes as head or recruiting for years, when it was obvious we were underperforming in that area year after year.
It was Ratts who wanted Warnock. It was Ratten who wanted Chris Johnson. It was Ratten who swapped Pick 11 for Brock. It was Ratten who wanted Collins from Richmond for Grigg.
It was Ratten sitting right there next to WH on National Draft day oking his selections like Lucas, Bootsma, and Watson. Don't tell me it wasn't his fault as well as WH's!
It was Ratten who created a ;downhill skiers' gameplan, that once defeated, had no answer.
Where were the Key Position talent that came through under Ratts ? Hendo fell into his lap so you cant point to that. Ratts wanted Bradshaw and Riscatelli. And in any case, Hendo is playing his best footy now under Mick.
Where's the Fev replacement that Ratts had 3 years to come up with ?
The Ratten/ Judd/Sticks era was a missed opportunity.
The cronies ran the Club to the ground.

Mick knows what it takes to climb the mountain.
He wanted to make changes last year, but couldn't because of our cap and the list management mess left behind by Ratts, Sticks and the other cronies.
Once he discovered the mess our list was in, expectations were culled back dramatically.
Whether people liked it or not, this year was always going to be a 'gap year'.
Mick has a proven record. I KNOW he'll get the right people into the club to get us up there.

Painful but very true reading unfortunately :beer:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:59 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Lol.....Malthouse can coach but cannot make 8th spot with a full list but others can't because they did 't make finals with a quarter of the list available.


Was it Mathouse who sprayed the shots at goal that would ve given us at least 2-3 more wins this year ? No! and still hasn't improved and shooting from the boundary or outside 50 does't help,. Do you count the oppositions easy miss opportunities?Is it Malthouse who decides to shirk hard contests ? No!
Is it Malthouse who turns the ball over and capitulates under pressure ? No! Malthouse picks, trains and disiplines the team
2011 was Ratten's 'Pièce de résistance', and that was 5th after 4 years in charge. a feat that won't be achieved this year under a superior coach with the same listThat's the best he could do. FOUR YEARS and he still couldn't crack the top 4!
Listen to people from Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney etc and they'll tell you how seriously they took our team under Ratten The same teams beaten under Rattens watch, hawthorn excludedHow did Ratts leave Wayne Hughes as head or recruiting for years, when it was obvious we were underperforming in that area year after year.
It was Ratts who wanted Warnock. It was Ratten who wanted Chris Johnson. It was Ratten who swapped Pick 11 for Brock. It was Ratten who wanted Collins from Richmond for Grigg. depends who you ask with each players worth
It was Ratten sitting right there next to WH on National Draft day oking his selections like Lucas, Bootsma, and Watson. Don't tell me it wasn't his fault as well as WH's! next you will mention last years draftees without been given a game yetIt was Ratten who created a ;downhill skiers' gameplan, that once defeated, had no answer.
Where were the Key Position talent that came through under Ratts ? Hendo fell into his lap so you cant point to that. Ratts wanted Bradshaw and Riscatelli. And in any case, Hendo is playing his best footy now under Mick. The same player that was highly criticised by his own supporters when coming back off injury and playing great footy last year.Where's the Fev replacement that Ratts had 3 years to come up with ? Injured and young with no development
The Ratten/ Judd/Sticks era was a missed opportunity.
The cronies ran the Club to the ground.

Mick knows what it takes to climb the mountain.
He wanted to make changes last year, but couldn't because of our cap and the list management mess left behind by Ratts, Sticks and the other cronies.
Once he discovered the mess our list was in, expectations were culled back dramatically.
Whether people liked it or not, this year was always going to be a 'gap year'.
Mick has a proven record. I KNOW he'll get the right people into the club to get us up there.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:06 am 
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..ppl really need to stop pointing to 2011's 5th finish.. ,,that's the aberration.. ..2011 season was exceedingly lopsided across the competition.. ..and yet, even though we made 5th, we were two and a half games behind 4th, a team that won the wooden spoon only the year earlier.. ..and for the best season, we still couldn't string more than a few wins together.. ..and far too much of it was built upon a career best season from Murphy and a mvp worthy season from Judd.. ..it was not built upon systems, nor an even contribution from the playing list..

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..ppl really need to stop pointing to 2011's 5th finish.. ,,that's the aberration.. ..2011 season was exceedingly lopsided across the competition.. ..and yet, even though we made 5th, we were two and a half games behind 4th, a team that won the wooden spoon only the year earlier.. ..and for the best season, we still couldn't string more than a few wins together.. ..and far too much of it was built upon a career best season from Murphy and a mvp worthy season from Judd.. ..it was not built upon systems, nor an even contribution from the playing list..

A lot of teams fell off in 2011 too for various reasons.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:27 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
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Bit harsh on Bootsma and Lucas.


Don't think so.
Would ve been happy with these players if picked at picks 30+, but Pick 20 for scrawny Boots who'd hardly played WAFL or rep footy ? Seriously ?
And Pick 12 for Lucas ? A soft pretty boy who is a turnover king?
Come on!


Bit early to make the call on them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:32 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..ppl really need to stop pointing to 2011's 5th finish.. ,,that's the aberration.. ..2011 season was exceedingly lopsided across the competition.. ..and yet, even though we made 5th, we were two and a half games behind 4th, a team that won the wooden spoon only the year earlier.. ..and for the best season, we still couldn't string more than a few wins together.. ..and far too much of it was built upon a career best season from Murphy and a mvp worthy season from Judd.. ..it was not built upon systems, nor an even contribution from the playing list..

in 2011 we were knocked out of the finals by the 2010 wooden spooner who is around where were at today.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

bottom line is after 12 years in the doldrums our club too us to 1 eliminational finals win whilst our window was open.

right now our list is shredded to ribbons.... completely off whack.. recruitment and development under the pump

but noone asks why we are here? hoq did we get here??

ask yourselves that!!!

mediocre football club from top to bottom!!!

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