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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:41 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
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Effes wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-07-08/blues-must-trade-stars-for-boyd

Typical of the board and swann.. they are trumpeting to the world they want boyd...


That hasn't happened at all.
Barrett and Darcy said we should go after Boyd, and apparently for Kreuzer, Yarran and our first round pick :roll:

Can't blame the club for this one, Synners

The noises are coming out from the cllub Stamos


The noises are that we are going to have major list changes, though.
Not that we're going all in for Boyd, and especially not that we'll be trading Kreuzer.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:45 pm 
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Noises are we are going after Boyd in a big way.... Laidler and Davies wont be enough

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:53 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
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Stop blaming the recruiting and go back to the core of the problem.

You can recruit duds or champs but if you don’t develop, instruct, discipline and coach them you are never going to achieve anything except a lazy bunch of misfits like we have now.

The reason I’m pissed off with Malthouse is because we had the best opportunity to turn these talented but weak pricks into a strong disciplined unit but failed by his every decision.
From the get go from the way around about picking the captain to his stupid game plan and structures to his team selections and his match day moves.

Failed on every front.
What a waste of money and more importantly time.

Yes now it’s all about the rebuilding because his initial efforts have been to the detriment to the Carlton Football Club but as long as it suits Mick’s process.


a) Recruiting has been shit, you can only develop shit so far.
b) Ratten had five years to fix these lazy misfits and you expect MM to fix it in 9 months. Delusional!! He has tried and it has taken him 9 months to see they cannot be helped. Ratten did not see this after 5 years of negligence.
c)Part time development coaches , who's fault was that let me tell you, Ratten
d)What waste of Money, how much is MM on, we wasted 600k per year on Ratten, and on davies and josephs contracts which will not be renewed well that's 1 million all up, add in all the other duds we signed on his watch and we will probably save money with MM their, or at least not pay money to linament thieves.

And tell me,who have we replaced fev with, how long ago was that, the best Ratten could do was try and get Bradshaw for around 500k per year, thank got he told Ratten to get stuffed.



Recruiting is shit when you can’t develop players (injury included).
I didn’t say Ratten was a great coach but he did better with the misfits than the messiah.
He took us from dead last to three final series in a row with the misfits that Malthouse the coveted tutor cannot coach and it doesn’t take a coach 9 months to gain respect from his players and get a great output from them.
If you need evidence look at Port, Adelaide, Fremantle and just about every other team that has ever been taken over by a new coach.
Ratten beat a better Collingwood side last year with the misfits that have thumped us this year with his so called knowledge of his players.
Malthouse has played the same misfits as Ratten and can’t coach them any better, so that shows how much more he is worth not to mention the dud assistants we pay to destroy our forward and midfield set ups, by Malthouse’s choice. No wonder he was sucking up to ling on air for a reasonable assistant to give him new ideas, or is that any idea.
Same mistakes as Ratten on MC and MD.
He brought a out dated structure game plan and still doesn’t know why we are getting thumped.
I’ll give him a little clue.
Attack through the middle, trust your players to extract from stoppages, Stop kicking to the oppositions advantage, teach your players to work for each other, discipline the offenders, set guidelines, use lead up forwards and practice goal shooting.
Lazy misfits yes, well MR Marvel earn your !@#$% money do the hard yakka and coach the team instead of making excuses for all the deficiencies you were paid to fix.
We replaced Fev with Henderson, or did you conveniently forget that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:54 pm 
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Dont tell me address Mick on Micks thread....

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Once again, no substance in anything we do, just one cult of personality after another. I assume Boyd will have 25 next year too?

Only way I see the GWS deal being even close to advantageous to us, is by making a statement and trading Murphy there. Even then, it's no certainty the actual deal itself would be advantageous beyond the implications of such a deal even being seriously considered.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.



redback... Ratten built this list of one dimmensional half back flankers...
he built this list of tals that cannot play
he built this list of players who wilt under pressure
he built this list of a midfield group that comprises rookies

The other guy has walked into this...!!!

What was harkers question???

oh and ratts painstakingly built this list of players who wanted to see the back of him last year and many before that....

:yikes: nit sure what your argument actually is.

buckley novice coach took collingwood to a prelim....




Are you sure you’re a Greek Orthodox and not a scientologist because they don’t like answering questions that don’t suit them either.

Buckley took a team of grand finalists to the prelim and still going backwards.
Ratten took wooden spooners to the finals and Malthouse won’t achieve this with the same healthy list.

Why cannot Malthouse coach 40 players that Ratten took to the finals from a wooden spoon apart from its Rattens list and they are all hbf's.
Is Ratten in the MC this year?
Is Ratten conducting MD structures and Game out dated plans?
Has Ratten done some Physiological voo doo on the players that MM cannot discipline them or teach them something else?
Did Ratten pick Green as a midfield coach that is totally defensive driven?
Is Ratten playing our best mids away from the action?
Is Ratten running 4-5 defensive run with players every game?
Has ratten told them to go boundary line and get thumped on rebound?
Has Ratten made them bomb blindly into the forward line or is it the new found tactic of torpedoing the ball all over the ground.

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:22 pm 
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redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.



redback... Ratten built this list of one dimmensional half back flankers...
he built this list of tals that cannot play
he built this list of players who wilt under pressure
he built this list of a midfield group that comprises rookies

The other guy has walked into this...!!!

What was harkers question???

oh and ratts painstakingly built this list of players who wanted to see the back of him last year and many before that....

:yikes: nit sure what your argument actually is.

buckley novice coach took collingwood to a prelim....




Are you sure you’re a Greek Orthodox and not a scientologist because they don’t like answering questions that don’t suit them either.

Buckley took a team of grand finalists to the prelim and still going backwards.
Ratten took wooden spooners to the finals and Malthouse won’t achieve this with the same healthy list.

Why cannot Malthouse coach 40 players that Ratten took to the finals from a wooden spoon apart from its Rattens list and they are all hbf's.
Is Ratten in the MC this year?
Is Ratten conducting MD structures and Game out dated plans?
Has Ratten done some Physiological voo doo on the players that MM cannot discipline them or teach them something else?
Did Ratten pick Green as a midfield coach that is totally defensive driven?
Is Ratten playing our best mids away from the action?
Is Ratten running 4-5 defensive run with players every game?
Has ratten told them to go boundary line and get thumped on rebound?
Has Ratten made them bomb blindly into the forward line or is it the new found tactic of torpedoing the ball all over the ground.

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.



I like this post.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:40 pm 
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Blame the recruiting dept for been very poor in there profession.How can u pick players that are injured,slow, average size,cannot kick.They have failed in my eyes and that is why we r in current position. GOODLUCK for this year draft can i request 185 to 188cm 80kgmidds with some dash.My talls have to be 194 to 196 cm not 192 and that can have somemobilty now recruiters that work full time do your job.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:46 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.



redback... Ratten built this list of one dimmensional half back flankers...
he built this list of tals that cannot play
he built this list of players who wilt under pressure
he built this list of a midfield group that comprises rookies

The other guy has walked into this...!!!

What was harkers question???

oh and ratts painstakingly built this list of players who wanted to see the back of him last year and many before that....

:yikes: nit sure what your argument actually is.

buckley novice coach took collingwood to a prelim....




Are you sure you’re a Greek Orthodox and not a scientologist because they don’t like answering questions that don’t suit them either.

Buckley took a team of grand finalists to the prelim and still going backwards.
Ratten took wooden spooners to the finals and Malthouse won’t achieve this with the same healthy list.

Why cannot Malthouse coach 40 players that Ratten took to the finals from a wooden spoon apart from its Rattens list and they are all hbf's.
Is Ratten in the MC this year?
Is Ratten conducting MD structures and Game out dated plans?
Has Ratten done some Physiological voo doo on the players that MM cannot discipline them or teach them something else?
Did Ratten pick Green as a midfield coach that is totally defensive driven?
Is Ratten playing our best mids away from the action?
Is Ratten running 4-5 defensive run with players every game?
Has ratten told them to go boundary line and get thumped on rebound?
Has Ratten made them bomb blindly into the forward line or is it the new found tactic of torpedoing the ball all over the ground.

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.



I like this post.


Redback that's a terrible reply.
Where are the mid field players and leadership players?
Who are they?

I'm Greek orthodox of course are you vilifying my religion?

Just sums you up. Lol

Not that I mind that idiotic stuff you say because it's part and parcel of your logic.

Why aren't St kilda playing off in grand finals? They were three years ago.

Eh?

What's harkers question?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:21 pm 
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redback wrote:
Trigger wrote:
redback wrote:
Stop blaming the recruiting and go back to the core of the problem.

You can recruit duds or champs but if you don’t develop, instruct, discipline and coach them you are never going to achieve anything except a lazy bunch of misfits like we have now.

The reason I’m pissed off with Malthouse is because we had the best opportunity to turn these talented but weak pricks into a strong disciplined unit but failed by his every decision.
From the get go from the way around about picking the captain to his stupid game plan and structures to his team selections and his match day moves.

Failed on every front.
What a waste of money and more importantly time.

Yes now it’s all about the rebuilding because his initial efforts have been to the detriment to the Carlton Football Club but as long as it suits Mick’s process.


a) Recruiting has been shit, you can only develop shit so far.
b) Ratten had five years to fix these lazy misfits and you expect MM to fix it in 9 months. Delusional!! He has tried and it has taken him 9 months to see they cannot be helped. Ratten did not see this after 5 years of negligence.
c)Part time development coaches , who's fault was that let me tell you, Ratten
d)What waste of Money, how much is MM on, we wasted 600k per year on Ratten, and on davies and josephs contracts which will not be renewed well that's 1 million all up, add in all the other duds we signed on his watch and we will probably save money with MM their, or at least not pay money to linament thieves.

And tell me,who have we replaced fev with, how long ago was that, the best Ratten could do was try and get Bradshaw for around 500k per year, thank got he told Ratten to get stuffed.



Recruiting is shit when you can’t develop players (injury included).
I didn’t say Ratten was a great coach but he did better with the misfits than the messiah.
He took us from dead last to three final series in a row with the misfits that Malthouse the coveted tutor cannot coach and it doesn’t take a coach 9 months to gain respect from his players and get a great output from them.
If you need evidence look at Port, Adelaide, Fremantle and just about every other team that has ever been taken over by a new coach.
Ratten beat a better Collingwood side last year with the misfits that have thumped us this year with his so called knowledge of his players.
Malthouse has played the same misfits as Ratten and can’t coach them any better, so that shows how much more he is worth not to mention the dud assistants we pay to destroy our forward and midfield set ups, by Malthouse’s choice. No wonder he was sucking up to ling on air for a reasonable assistant to give him new ideas, or is that any idea.
Same mistakes as Ratten on MC and MD.
He brought a out dated structure game plan and still doesn’t know why we are getting thumped.
I’ll give him a little clue.
Attack through the middle, trust your players to extract from stoppages, Stop kicking to the oppositions advantage, teach your players to work for each other, discipline the offenders, set guidelines, use lead up forwards and practice goal shooting.
Lazy misfits yes, well MR Marvel earn your !@#$% money do the hard yakka and coach the team instead of making excuses for all the deficiencies you were paid to fix.
We replaced Fev with Henderson, or did you conveniently forget that.

So we recruited 1 fwd in 5 years,brilliant.
Meld,dogs and saints had new coaches and they are we're they are because of poor recruiting,development and no eye for the future,sums up rotten well


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.



redback... Ratten built this list of one dimmensional half back flankers...
he built this list of tals that cannot play
he built this list of players who wilt under pressure
he built this list of a midfield group that comprises rookies

The other guy has walked into this...!!!

What was harkers question???

oh and ratts painstakingly built this list of players who wanted to see the back of him last year and many before that....

:yikes: nit sure what your argument actually is.

buckley novice coach took collingwood to a prelim....




Are you sure you’re a Greek Orthodox and not a scientologist because they don’t like answering questions that don’t suit them either.

Buckley took a team of grand finalists to the prelim and still going backwards.
Ratten took wooden spooners to the finals and Malthouse won’t achieve this with the same healthy list.

Why cannot Malthouse coach 40 players that Ratten took to the finals from a wooden spoon apart from its Rattens list and they are all hbf's.
Is Ratten in the MC this year?
Is Ratten conducting MD structures and Game out dated plans?
Has Ratten done some Physiological voo doo on the players that MM cannot discipline them or teach them something else?
Did Ratten pick Green as a midfield coach that is totally defensive driven?
Is Ratten playing our best mids away from the action?
Is Ratten running 4-5 defensive run with players every game?
Has ratten told them to go boundary line and get thumped on rebound?
Has Ratten made them bomb blindly into the forward line or is it the new found tactic of torpedoing the ball all over the ground.

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.



I like this post.


Redback that's a terrible reply.
Where are the mid field players and leadership players?
Who are they?

I'm Greek orthodox of course are you vilifying my religion?

Just sums you up. Lol

Not that I mind that idiotic stuff you say because it's part and parcel of your logic.

Why aren't St kilda playing off in grand finals? They were three years ago.

Eh?

What's harkers question?




I will address your post and show you more consideration that you have mine which you still refuse a response on the issues presented to you.

We hired Malthouse to lead and all he has done is make excuses and passed blame.

Same players that Ratten has had at his disposal and mostly healthy and if you know of a better criteria to judge one coach’s knowledge and their effectiveness with another please let us know.

2+2= ...........................
Greek’s fashioned maths so you should know this one and it’s not your religion I’m questioning but I think another may be suited better to your propensity.

Same midfielders that have been top four in the league in the last few years.

But I fear we are on the way there on your last point.

Harkers question, seek and you shall find.

A little hint it’s the basis of all your posts.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:18 pm 
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Listen here pipsqueak.
You can have a go at me About footy but don't go making ridiculous comments on my religion. Lol
You're an imbecile.
Lol
Fact is we have no midfield talks and leaders.
You can carry on talking to yourself.
I won't indulge red neck pussies like you.
If you wish to make An Apology Seek Me Out In Person. I Make Myself Available To People In Here.
Do The Same!

OK?

Idiot! Lol

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:20 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
redback wrote:

Recruiting is shit when you can’t develop players (injury included).
I didn’t say Ratten was a great coach but he did better with the misfits than the messiah.
He took us from dead last to three final series in a row with the misfits that Malthouse the coveted tutor cannot coach and it doesn’t take a coach 9 months to gain respect from his players and get a great output from them.
If you need evidence look at Port, Adelaide, Fremantle and just about every other team that has ever been taken over by a new coach.
Ratten beat a better Collingwood side last year with the misfits that have thumped us this year with his so called knowledge of his players.
Malthouse has played the same misfits as Ratten and can’t coach them any better, so that shows how much more he is worth not to mention the dud assistants we pay to destroy our forward and midfield set ups, by Malthouse’s choice. No wonder he was sucking up to ling on air for a reasonable assistant to give him new ideas, or is that any idea.
Same mistakes as Ratten on MC and MD.
He brought a out dated structure game plan and still doesn’t know why we are getting thumped.
I’ll give him a little clue.
Attack through the middle, trust your players to extract from stoppages, Stop kicking to the oppositions advantage, teach your players to work for each other, discipline the offenders, set guidelines, use lead up forwards and practice goal shooting.
Lazy misfits yes, well MR Marvel earn your !@#$% money do the hard yakka and coach the team instead of making excuses for all the deficiencies you were paid to fix.
We replaced Fev with Henderson, or did you conveniently forget that.

So we recruited 1 fwd in 5 years,brilliant.
Meld,dogs and saints had new coaches and they are we're they are because of poor recruiting,development and no eye for the future,sums up rotten well


Mitchell, Rowe, Casboult, Watson, McCarthy Kp's all injured all at the same time.

Go through the list and have a look and the history of the players before you post if you are trying to make a valid point.

I'm not arguing the development just some reasons behind the MM decisions and influence since coming to the club you picked one line to contest.


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Seek me out in person I'll make myself available for it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:07 pm 
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redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.


Entree: Can you explain to me how a dud like Primus was able to beat Ratts?
Main: Can you explain to me how a first year coach like Brenton Sanderson was able to beat Ratts?
Dessert: Can you explain to me how the Southport Thirds beat Carlton under Ratts' watch?

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Done when I’m ready to apologise I will definitely do that.

Until then may God be with you my son.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:19 pm 
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Same way Buckley beat his mentor
Same way Hardwick beat Malthouse

and I never said ratten was a geat coach only that malthouse has made the same mistakes as Ratten and he far more experienced and decorated.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:22 pm 
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redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.



redback... Ratten built this list of one dimmensional half back flankers...
he built this list of tals that cannot play
he built this list of players who wilt under pressure
he built this list of a midfield group that comprises rookies

The other guy has walked into this...!!!

Enough with the comparisons. They're flawed and you know it. You wanna compare BR's golden era of 5 years vs Mick's of 14 games.
What was harkers question???

oh and ratts painstakingly built this list of players who wanted to see the back of him last year and many before that....

:yikes: nit sure what your argument actually is.

buckley novice coach took collingwood to a prelim....




Are you sure you’re a Greek Orthodox and not a scientologist because they don’t like answering questions that don’t suit them either.

Buckley took a team of grand finalists to the prelim and still going backwards.
Ratten took wooden spooners to the finals and Malthouse won’t achieve this with the same healthy list.

Why cannot Malthouse coach 40 players that Ratten took to the finals from a wooden spoon apart from its Rattens list and they are all hbf's.
Is Ratten in the MC this year?
Is Ratten conducting MD structures and Game out dated plans?
Has Ratten done some Physiological voo doo on the players that MM cannot discipline them or teach them something else?
Did Ratten pick Green as a midfield coach that is totally defensive driven?
Is Ratten playing our best mids away from the action?
Is Ratten running 4-5 defensive run with players every game?
Has ratten told them to go boundary line and get thumped on rebound?
Has Ratten made them bomb blindly into the forward line or is it the new found tactic of torpedoing the ball all over the ground.

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.


Enough with the comparisons. They're flawed and you know it. You wanna compare BR's golden era of 120 games with Mick's of 14 games.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:33 pm 
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99prelim wrote:

Answer Harkers question in your thread look it up.


Enough with the comparisons. They're flawed and you know it. You wanna compare BR's golden era of 120 games with Mick's of 14 games.[/quote]

It's only flawed when it doesn't suit the value of your argument.

It's the best way to judge the value of two competitors with the same list.


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