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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:20 pm 
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Something hugely wrong with our player development - Betts has been at the club at least 8 pre-seasons, that he doesn't have the desire or the tank to regularly play in the midfield is an indictment on both him and the club, and probably the fact that we have had no regular Centre Half Forward.

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Betts has been our CHF for a number of years - that's the problem!


Problem is that we build a forward line around the likes of Betts and Garlett because that is the new way of playing football, even though other top teams are playing with 3 talls..... :yikes: :roll: :banghead: :screwy:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:45 pm 
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Yeah, one or two of these boys are contracted for 2014...but so is Shaun Hampson...so it means naught. They're talented, playing well and might need a change of scenery to go to the next level. I'm dead keen on four of these boys whom I believe would enhance our list.

Adelaide - Mitch Grigg
Brisbane - Sam Docherty
Fremantle - Viv Michie
Geelong - Shane Kersten
Gold Coast - Henry Schade
GWS - Tim Golds
Hawthorn - Mitch Hallahan
Sydney - Harry Cunningham


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:49 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
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I wonder if its worth letting Betts go for free during the free agency window, or at the very least offer him a reduced contract.

He's got no value on the trade market, and if he can't play a decent spell in the midfield, then we're paying him 300k to play maybe once every three weeks.

Before he got injured, he was showing something as a pinch hitter in our midfield rotations, if he can get back to that, he still has use. Otherwise, that's 300k a season saved to have a crack at someone else on the free agent market.

its interesting what geeling did with stokes. increasingly played him more through the midfield last year...and made him work at midfield in the off season knowing they lacked run through the middle and now hes a full on midfielder for them picking up the slack where chapman was waning with his pace.....

amazing metamorphosis of a guy like stokes who looked like was spinning his wheels a couple of seasons ago....



Something hugely wrong with our player development - Betts has been at the club at least 8 pre-seasons, that he doesn't have the desire or the tank to regularly play in the midfield is an indictment on both him and the club, and probably the fact that we have had no regular Centre Half Forward.

:roll:

Does he still smoke?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:20 pm 
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Tuohy is one of the bright lights this season



Would like to see him get some time in the middle - might be time to send him backtrack to the VFL for a few weeks specifically to play and learn that role.


He lacks the footy nous to play in the guts. Going to take a long time in the 2s to find it.
\Personally I'd like to see him just improve at playing in the backline.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Hartlett the Port variety is impressive. Would love him in our midfield. Typical we pick up the wrong brother


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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Tuohy is one of the bright lights this season



Would like to see him get some time in the middle - might be time to send him backtrack to the VFL for a few weeks specifically to play and learn that role.


He lacks the footy nous to play in the guts. Going to take a long time in the 2s to find it.
\Personally I'd like to see him just improve at playing in the backline.


Go hard at ball and opposition player.
Get ball.
Kick or handball ball to your team's advantage.
Run to space.
Repeat.

It's a simple game, footy. He can do all that stuff.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:55 pm 
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Whats happened to Mitchell and McCarthy? Any chance they will come on? I know McCarthy is injured but is there any hope? I remember Emma Quayle suggesting we were the big winners of that 2010 draft with Watson, Mitchell, and McCarthy but it looks like we've struck out again. I know we got the former Cats bloke a little while ago to bolster the recruiting but how long has Shane Rogers been here?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Hartlett the Port variety is impressive. Would love him in our midfield. Typical we pick up the wrong brother


Not sure our supporters would have been patient enough with the number of injuries that he's had.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:03 am 
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Wangers wrote:
Recruitment Criteria for the club to recruit player should be at a minimum:
- Accurate kick
- competitive (hates losing a contest/game)
- is athletic enough to play the game (medium speed at least)
- not afraid to put their head over the ball
- is footy savvy (smarts)
- has capacity to play more than one position

Now go find players that fit this criteria - there, I have done your job Shane Rogers & co!!!!

Rodgers believes that pace is still the way to go... heard him say it late last year after Ratts was sacked. So unless he's instructed otherwise, then it's more half back flankers on the way unfortunately.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:48 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
ech wrote:
AGRO wrote:


Something hugely wrong with our player development - Betts has been at the club at least 8 pre-seasons, that he doesn't have the desire or the tank to regularly play in the midfield is an indictment on both him and the club, and probably the fact that we have had no regular Centre Half Forward.

:roll:




Betts has been our CHF for a number of years - that's the problem!


Problem is that we build a forward line around the likes of Betts and Garlett because that is the new way of playing football, even though other top teams are playing with 3 talls..... :yikes: :roll: :banghead: :screwy:



Problem is the midfield.

We dont have enough players doing the defensive spread and sticking tackles
Disposal is crap
they dont kick goals.

Do the exercise
Modern mids must:
spread offensively
spread defensively and tackle
use the ball
find the ball

which of our players can do all 4?
or just 3?


When u saw Collingwood mount up the right side of the screen with inside 50s .. and we were unable to stop that.. did you think it had anything to do with 3 tall forward line??? :roll:

Spread offensively and work hard going deep into the insde 50.
spread defesively and stick their faces and hands into the opposition.. tackling
use the ball.... including kicking goals.. and creativity with accuracy
find the ball

Who can do all of that???

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:36 am 
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i reckon we should trade down if possible. Our first pick for two in the 20's. and pick pure footbalers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:43 am 
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i reckon we should trade down if possible. Our first pick for two in the 20's. and pick pure footbalers.

thats not a bad idea.. but our recruiters have no succeess in the twenties...or thirties.. or forties...

maybe trade it for 5 rokkie picks .. flawed they might be .. but they might all complete our midfield of rookie listed players

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:09 am 
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Stop blaming the recruiting and go back to the core of the problem.

You can recruit duds or champs but if you don’t develop, instruct, discipline and coach them you are never going to achieve anything except a lazy bunch of misfits like we have now.

The reason I’m pissed off with Malthouse is because we had the best opportunity to turn these talented but weak pricks into a strong disciplined unit but failed by his every decision.
From the get go from the way around about picking the captain to his stupid game plan and structures to his team selections and his match day moves.

Failed on every front.
What a waste of money and more importantly time.

Yes now it’s all about the rebuilding because his initial efforts have been to the detriment to the Carlton Football Club but as long as it suits Mick’s process.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:21 am 
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redback wrote:
Stop blaming the recruiting and go back to the core of the problem.

You can recruit duds or champs but if you don’t develop, instruct, discipline and coach them you are never going to achieve anything except a lazy bunch of misfits like we have now.

The reason I’m pissed off with Malthouse is because we had the best opportunity to turn these talented but weak pricks into a strong disciplined unit but failed by his every decision.
From the get go from the way around about picking the captain to his stupid game plan and structures to his team selections and his match day moves.

Failed on every front.
What a waste of money and more importantly time.

Yes now it’s all about the rebuilding because his initial efforts have been to the detriment to the Carlton Football Club but as long as it suits Mick’s process.

:lol:

our problems existed way before now

they didnt just pop up now...

full independent review of the whole club is needed

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Stop blaming the recruiting and go back to the core of the problem.

You can recruit duds or champs but if you don’t develop, instruct, discipline and coach them you are never going to achieve anything except a lazy bunch of misfits like we have now.

The reason I’m pissed off with Malthouse is because we had the best opportunity to turn these talented but weak pricks into a strong disciplined unit but failed by his every decision.
From the get go from the way around about picking the captain to his stupid game plan and structures to his team selections and his match day moves.

Failed on every front.
What a waste of money and more importantly time.

Yes now it’s all about the rebuilding because his initial efforts have been to the detriment to the Carlton Football Club but as long as it suits Mick’s process.

:lol:

our problems existed way before now

they didnt just pop up now...

full independent review of the whole club is needed



It wasn't the stats that got you it was the comprehension of those stats.

Understanding what is put in front of you is your biggest problem, well part of your biggest problem.

Read the post.

Now I see you haven’t answered harkers question yet.

It’s in your thread just in case you were wondering.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:16 pm 
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So its been two different coaches fault two years straight??

Ok.. :thumbsup: :lol:

The game has gotten away from what we have on our list.

Do you watch footy?
Spend an afternoon watching how other clubs play the game...do yourself a favour!!!
Educate yourself!!! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:21 pm 
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Teams need a new blood infusion every year...whos ours???
Cachia
Bell
Bootsma
Watson
Curnow
Ellard

Then check whats happened to eary picks Russell Grigg Hampson Austin Warnock Laidler Rowe etc etc etc... anything inside 3 rd is a good pick!!!

OMG.... thats not going to get you into the eight.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
i reckon we should trade down if possible. Our first pick for two in the 20's. and pick pure footbalers.



What's a 'pure footballer', one who is not crap? :confused:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:37 pm 
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Enlighten and educate me how they play and why MM hasn't been able to beat an novice like Buckley with his own team like Ratten did.

Show everyone what great knowledge you have and great observational skills you hold.

After that answer Harkers question.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:39 pm 
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Have to go but I will be back later.

take your time and think about it first.

If that doesn't work you can always quote Pluto or Socrates.


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