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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:07 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:24 am 
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Can only be a healthy thing if done properly.


People in charge now should welcome it with open arms if they believe they're doing a good job.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:39 pm 
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I'll break my duck here.. Pro independent review (or whatever it takes). That's all.

Back to passive participation now.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:43 pm 
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So how does the attack unfold Synbad?

What's the step by step plan? Contingency plan? Sustained plan?

If this is to be done it has to be set-up for the win otherwise....................??


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:57 pm 
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We need to throw some Pratt money at the Geelong head recruiter.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:07 pm 
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All for it.

Let's hope they can make a point of reviewing marketing practices that tell the fans there are "no limits" and "the list is fine" and "there will be no rebuild" UNTIL they sell the 50,000th membership, then it's "oh, the list is no good" and "25% of our best 22 are no good".

Misleading and deceptive.

Shysters.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:30 pm 
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KoRn wrote:
We need to throw some Pratt money at the Geelong head recruiter.


My view is we need to move away from Pratt money. It's not going to last forever and I suspect there is too much influence there.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:39 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
KoRn wrote:
We need to throw some Pratt money at the Geelong head recruiter.


My view is we need to move away from Pratt money. It's not going to last forever and I suspect there is too much influence there.


I agree just throwing money at quick fixes and messiahs.

I say screw that, the club has been run poorly going back to the late 80s, by refusing to embrace the draft and salary cap. That is where the rot really began.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:46 pm 
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And is there any chance we interview someone for a job?

Head hunting isn't always the best way.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Agree with Synbad: Total review/ audit required. Longest serving reluctant President on record. What are his credentials?
Appoint the BEST people and generally you get the best results.Capuano, Barker and Green- I would suggest far from the best out there. Lack of coin led to bargain basement appointments.
Players need to have a good hard look at Sydney, Freo & Geelong and try to emulate their willingness to work, play a role and be selfless. Young players come into their sides and fit in. Ours look lost or take forever to come on. Once, again comes back to bad off-field appointments. I'm sure Mick will eventually turn the playing list around and over. I'm more concerned about the off-field. A well run club starts at the top. It's no secret why Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn have had sustained success. When will some heat be put on the board and our mediocrity for the best part of ten years. We can always blame harsh draft penalties, John Elliot etc. Time for excuses have run out.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:05 pm 
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Another review???? Come on we've had reviews/blueprints every other year.

Management needs to be accountable but who will hold them to task?

And forget building a case against removing Sticks. His support is insurmountable, club legend etc etc
Needs to be an agreed transition.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:11 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Another review???? Come on we've had reviews/blueprints every other year.

Management needs to be accountable but who will hold them to task?

And forget building a case against removing Sticks. His support is insurmountable, club legend etc etc
Needs to be an agreed transition.

huh???? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:20 pm 
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Not sure what other clubs have done in relation to reviews, but it is certainly clear that we have not really gone anywhere in the last decade. Other clubs have been much better at running themselves in all facets of the club. We can winge about lost draft picks years ago, but that was years ago. We are in danger of being left behind in the modern game, despite the fact that facilities at Visy are streets ahead of where they were a decade ago. We need to modernise our approach to how the club functions. Other clubs are leading the way, Sydney, the Pies, Hawks and one of the best is Geelong, just look at how things have changed at Kardinia Park, or whatever it is called these days.

I don't know what happened at the Cats from a review perspective in about 2006, but I was at our corporate love-in last Oct which was held in one of the big rooms at the G. The day was largely about setting corporate mission, vision and values. What was interesting that Cameron Ling was one of the presenters and at various times during the day he spoke about the values based approach that was adopted by the Cats in the mid naughties. Obviously they had a strong president and CEO, but that is only part of the picture. They recruited and nurtured players largely on the basis of good values held by the players. So, players who were potential stars, but who happened to be flower fell out of favour. They had a very simple matrix for assessment based on good/ave skills and good/poor values. They ended up with year after year (and still do) of guys who are absolutely focussed on footy and the club, would run through brick walls, never say die, turn up each week, etc etc. Since that time they amassed three flags, Brownlow medalists, Norm Smith medalists and umpteen AA's. Obviously they have recruited weel, but they have also nurtured their players.

Interesting to compare the Blues and where we seem to be, with the Cats and their outcomes. Guess it doesnt stack up that well for the Blues.

As much as I love Sticks, the "We are Carlton, ^%$## the rest" approach just doesn't cut it in todays era of big business footy. Somehow we need to move more towards the way that the successful opposition club are operating if we are truly going to achieve sustainable success. Run the club properly, have a solid business plan, recruit well, support the coaching staff, engender behaviours in the player group that makes them want to "die for each other" and the club, embrace the supporters.

I for one do not want the Bummers or the Pies to get to 17 before we do, and I want us to, not just be satisfied with 17, but go into the 20's over the next 10-15 years. Lions won three in a row, Cats have won three in recent years, its difficult, but its not impossible.

At board level, I think there is too much Pratt influence. Not sure what Fahour would bring or if he wants to bring it, but board changes seem inevitable if the changes that we need are going to be realised. Even though the processes have been less than satisfactory, I support MM in the role, but he needs to mould the playing group "in his own image" and he has the opportunity in the next year or so.

Maybe an independent review would be a catalyst for this, but the hardest thing will be to get the incumbents to realise this. Who are the experts?

I want the club to be successful on the field, as do most passionate supporters, but I want the club to be a good club just as much.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:38 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Another review???? Come on we've had reviews/blueprints every other year.

Management needs to be accountable but who will hold them to task?

And forget building a case against removing Sticks. His support is insurmountable, club legend etc etc
Needs to be an agreed transition.



Have we had independent reviews over the last 10 years? please let me know.

Sticks is insurmountable because he is a club legend ? Does that mean he is the right candidate to be president? Somehow I don't think so. He has no business nouse.

So Sticks will be President forever unless he agrees to a transition? Astounding.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:49 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Another review???? Come on we've had reviews/blueprints every other year.

Yeah, that involved Sticks and Bear Gleeson walking around Visy Park with a hard hat and clipboard asking everyone if they were ok.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:50 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
And is there any chance we interview someone for a job?

Head hunting isn't always the best way.


Trouble is who would actually conduct the interviews? Of any kind!!! Imagine Sticks.........


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:32 pm 
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Synners summed it up in a post he probably made about 3 or 4 years which has stuck with me. Something along the lines of "Carlton: great VFL club, sh!thouse AFL club".

We've culturally never moved out of our VFL club mindset which has been made redundant by the draft, expansion clubs, and off field innovations.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:38 pm 
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Molly wrote:
Synners summed it up in a post he probably made about 3 or 4 years which has stuck with me. Something along the lines of "Carlton: great VFL club, sh!thouse AFL club".

We've culturally never moved out of our VFL club mindset which has been made redundant by the draft, expansion clubs, and off field innovations.


This is my view too. But we don't need an independent review to tell us this. All we need is MM to clean the joint out
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Should listen to Synners more often :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:42 pm 
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We need a board who will have the balls to bring in a CEO who's remit is to make this club into a truly elite AFL club.
There's one out there at he's at Geelong. Brian Cook. Easier said than done, but I'd be prepared to pay him $2-3M pa to get him across. Money well spent!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:44 pm 
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stubba wrote:

All we need is MM to clean the joint out
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I think some of this is necessary, but we need more than a list tidy up, its more of a culture change. If we don't have the right culture from top to bottom, then no amount of gun new players are going to help

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