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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:03 am 
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No clearer sign of the need for an independent review than that interview with Swann yesterday where he basically talks about doing everything within their power to recruit Boyd and Daisy. If we have people in charge of our list who genuinely believe that a key forward is anything more than a symptom of a very shallow list then they should be shown the door post haste. I'm sick of watching this club endlessly chase the next Messiah at the expense of increasing depth on the list. Trading out (let's say) Kreuzer and Yarran plus a first round draft pick compounds the problem. I'm not against those guys being traded but the suggested GWS deal further decreases quality across the entire list. Mind numbingly stupid stuff from the club.

We may get saved from ourselves on Boyd if Buddy decides to stay with the Hawks - but I reckon we could put together a handy list of trade deals over the past ten years where we were saved by the other party or player. Jarred Brennan, Matt McGuire, Daniel Bradshaw, the list goes on and on.

That's not all that is symptomatic of our club, but it shows some pretty senior people have no clue.

the ceo is under the pump... his work in administration is not admired by too many... so he does like to delve into footy matters.

and independent review would get to the bottom of him too... and some of the things about his work have been very sub standard...
hes another who wouldnt welcome an independent review

as 50,000 members looks ok on the surface... an independent review would also look at why our membership eeds the board to buy up approx 5,000 to get to 50,000 thats around 10% is my guess

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:11 am 
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if people get behind this... im hoping to find out how fair dinkum this guy was last year... and whether he still bellieves its necessary

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/b ... 415081335#

or we can keep it at grass roots

either way... if people are fairdinkum about this footy club u should be wanting to get to the bottom of our underperforming by having the club assessed

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:12 am 
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Should have happened 6,12,18 months ago.
This club has been a rudderless ship for years and we're only seeing the outcomes now. We've given free reign to those responsible for too long and we've swallowed their excuses and hair brained schemes without looking at the motives.
Hiring Ratten. Plenty of us asked for a comprehensive process to get a new coach but no, we took the easy option.
Why? Because it enabled us to retain that old Carlton insular mentality.

The membership dilemma. I've been asking for years about our initiatives and innovations to build a comparatively strong membership.
The response from some of the TC boffins, "it will come with success" Yeah, great plan that one. :lol:

Last years coaching restructure. Where was the process? Where was the accountability?
We pissed away $1,000,000 of the members money to put our club into the hands of one individual.
The merits of Malthouses appointment are not the debate. The motives are.

The board did a Pagan and hired a credible person to take the heat off themselves. To buy themselves more time.
It was Pagan Mark 11.

So down the track we have results of 5 years ago, a membership that is pathetic in relative terms and a board that works to cover its arse.
Where have we actually gone in the past 5 years?

Ask David Parkin about the merits of an independent review. Geelong had one and it turned their club around. Port had one with Mark Williams' appointment and it turned their club around. Parkin believes independent views are the key to building the right culture and achieving sustained success.
Its only the insecure and incompetent who fear it.

I'm sicking of pouring money into a weak, dishonest and incompetent organisation. The lack of accountability and foresight 9 months ago was the final straw for me.

Finally, its not up to the supporters to sit here and throw up names and think thats going to solve the situation.
Its the structure ad environment thats has created the vacuum. Not necessarily the people working within it.
We need people to come in and make recommendations when they're armed with all the facts. Not the mirage resented by the incumbents.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:13 am 
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The current situation reminds me of our centenary year in 1964 we finished 10th (worst result in Carlton's history)

Then in the off season, the coup. Harris appointed President & you know what happened then

Let's not wait for our 150th to be over & suffer the same misery as our centenary year

Time for another coup

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:26 am 
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Synbad wrote:
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We're F%$&kd!

whats your opinion on a review???


I thoroughly agree.

I may not post it in every tenuously related thread, but I agree.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:51 am 
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Independent review...

The Sticks era of incompetence must end!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:56 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
We're F%$&kd!

whats your opinion on a review???


I thoroughly agree.

I may not post it in every tenuously related thread, but I agree.

Thanks mate :) im an arm twister!!!..... some people hate my methods but my heart is in the right Carlton place :thumbsup:

but seriously the club needs an independent review to establish whether these giuys are in step wth members / supporters etc and the competition. For all we know the review might report theyre an open transparent organisation thats doing everything right.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:00 am 
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Synbad wrote:
if people get behind this... im hoping to find out how fair dinkum this guy was last year... and whether he still bellieves its necessary

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/b ... 415081335#

or we can keep it at grass roots

either way... if people are fairdinkum about this footy club u should be wanting to get to the bottom of our underperforming by having the club assessed



I know he puts in cash and that is fantastic, but with regard to shaking up the club its time for Bruce Mathieson to put up or shut up, and given he made those comments 12 months ago it sounds like he has shut up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:01 am 
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Synbad wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
We're F%$&kd!

whats your opinion on a review???


I thoroughly agree.

I may not post it in every tenuously related thread, but I agree.

Thanks mate :) im an arm twister!!!..... some people hate my methods but my heart is in the right Carlton place :thumbsup:

but seriously the club needs an independent review to establish whether these giuys are in step wth members / supporters etc and the competition. For all we know the review might report theyre an open transparent organisation thats doing everything right.


Synbad, you have my vote for an independent review- what is required to get one done? From our end, I mean. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:10 am 
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i just think we need an overwhelming amount of people to support this.... at this stage just get behind it here... i hope it can spread to the other forums.

on the surface its not anti sticks... or anti swann or whatever.. and it shouldnt be offensive to any organisation.

i doubt the board will want it or the ceo.. so we move to the media.

jake niall.. and caro... would love to do a piece on us.
damien barret would mention it on the footy show.

for too long we have had these guys flying under the radar because they dont like the spotlight of the media...

no review.. but at least on the eve of the 150th we stamp ourselves in history as protestants (Carlton is a protestant club originally) for all future generations to know.. we didnt sit on our hands as this club was being ground to dust.

We owe it to the club to do our best to bring it to where it once was..
#1



Sticks is the typical tyrant.. he comes to us wearing the mask of our saviour....
Thats my personal opinion of Sticks but an indepedent review can

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:17 am 
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You can tweet journos.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:18 am 
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I'll sign a petition, should one be written up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:26 am 
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I'm in, couldn't agree more.

BTW love the Plato quote re the Tyrant .


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:29 am 
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A review is a great idea and long long overdue....

I won't hold my breath though as this club does not like anything or anyone being negative about it and the Board will more than likely let its ego get the better of it and self preservation will win out again....

Top clubs that are well run and have sustainable processes in place don't fear reviews, they actually enbrace them....

Let's wait and see what happens......

Sticks and Swann shouldput the Club first and let a review take place regardless of what the outcome may be....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:41 am 
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Effes wrote:
You can tweet journos.


just tweeted Robbo, Barrett, KB, SENNEWS, 3AW sports today, Connolly, Ralph.... :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:53 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Should have happened 6,12,18 months ago.
This club has been a rudderless ship for years and we're only seeing the outcomes now. We've given free reign to those responsible for too long and we've swallowed their excuses and hair brained schemes without looking at the motives.
Hiring Ratten. Plenty of us asked for a comprehensive process to get a new coach but no, we took the easy option.
Why? Because it enabled us to retain that old Carlton insular mentality.

The membership dilemma. I've been asking for years about our initiatives and innovations to build a comparatively strong membership.
The response from some of the TC boffins, "it will come with success" Yeah, great plan that one. :lol:

Last years coaching restructure. Where was the process? Where was the accountability?
We pissed away $1,000,000 of the members money to put our club into the hands of one individual.
The merits of Malthouses appointment are not the debate. The motives are.

The board did a Pagan and hired a credible person to take the heat off themselves. To buy themselves more time.
It was Pagan Mark 11.

So down the track we have results of 5 years ago, a membership that is pathetic in relative terms and a board that works to cover its arse.
Where have we actually gone in the past 5 years?

Ask David Parkin about the merits of an independent review. Geelong had one and it turned their club around. Port had one with Mark Williams' appointment and it turned their club around. Parkin believes independent views are the key to building the right culture and achieving sustained success.
Its only the insecure and incompetent who fear it.

I'm sicking of pouring money into a weak, dishonest and incompetent organisation. The lack of accountability and foresight 9 months ago was the final straw for me.

Finally, its not up to the supporters to sit here and throw up names and think thats going to solve the situation.
Its the structure ad environment thats has created the vacuum. Not necessarily the people working within it.
We need people to come in and make recommendations when they're armed with all the facts. Not the mirage resented by the incumbents.


Well said, I'm on board where do I sign.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:55 am 
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Independent Review Required - bring it!!!! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:01 am 
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Synbad wrote:
i just think we need an overwhelming amount of people to support this.... at this stage just get behind it here... i hope it can spread to the other forums.

on the surface its not anti sticks... or anti swann or whatever.. and it shouldnt be offensive to any organisation.

i doubt the board will want it or the ceo.. so we move to the media.

jake niall.. and caro... would love to do a piece on us.
damien barret would mention it on the footy show.

for too long we have had these guys flying under the radar because they dont like the spotlight of the media...

no review.. but at least on the eve of the 150th we stamp ourselves in history as protestants (Carlton is a protestant club originally) for all future generations to know.. we didnt sit on our hands as this club was being ground to dust.

We owe it to the club to do our best to bring it to where it once was..
#1



Sticks is the typical tyrant.. he comes to us wearing the mask of our saviour....
Thats my personal opinion of Sticks but an indepedent review can


Hi There Bill.

Who do you propose does the review?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:04 am 
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Sign me up - long overdue.

It hurts but I think we have to accept that we need to go backwards from here to finally go forward properly.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:05 am 
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I am for anything that will make the blues stronger, we need a business man to be the face of Carlton and seperation from the 1995 premiership side running the show. Would love to see a Maclure put his hand up int he mix. Have posted to every forum I am involved in trying to get the review rolling and believe that synbads only thoughts are to improve carlton, as he is a businessman wondering if he is looking to become involved in same way to this change


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