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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:27 pm 
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BV is frustrated like the rest of us.
What none of us know is whether the team peaked in 2011 or not.
What we do know is that many other teams have developed better lists and teams.
We've stalled...we've done nothing to improve since that 2011 peak...Menzel doesn't count in this mess.

This is not about MM imo...maybe partly as far as our ladder position is concerned, but the big problem lies in the past which got us where we are: Sticks Ratten Hughes. They put us in this place and ...the buck stops with Sticks...like Elliot you gotta go when you !@#$%& up.

The Richardson story is an intereting one, but I dont think we can give credit to Richardson for the development of the kids with the less than 30 games who played for the Pies last night. In fact I'm scratching my head wondering what Richardson developed whilst at Carlton because I can't see it. In fact I can't see what Richo achieved at Esendon either. Can anyone help. Maybe BV knows.

IMO, and its easy to say this retrospctively, the wheels were rusting off following our peak in 2011....injuries or no injuries we have a list full of softcox, with a lack of drive and fear of failure. Wrong characters for hard nosed week in weeek out footy.

We lack midfield depth in class (IMO 3 short) and lack classy KPF's (2 short) with Waite so unreliable. MM didn't put that list together, so lets put the blow torch on those that did, then we can focus on MM. Lets get rid of problem A (the visionary and head of this club that selects the recruiters and off field personnel: Sticks), then problem B (the recruiters), followed by problem C (the list cloggers who aint taking us anywhere), then the head coach who puts together his coaching team...because that coaching team of Barker, Brown and Capuano (I know Ratten legacy), but if MM wants them he's just as bad as Ratten.

If MM wants to give away players and draft picks (other than 2nd rounders) for Daisy and Harry well he can go too....Lets build a list for the future...like we should have in the first place...but get recruiters on board who know what they're doing.


"Fear of failure", our list reflects that.

We have smugly boasted about getting the 'All Australian' HBF, or the small utility who played well against a highly rated opponent, with our 2nd or 3rd active selection in each draft, as if that builds a list. Year after year, the likes of Browne, O'Keeffe, Davies, (to name a few) were virtually raved about pre-draft with vague whispers that they were our targets. What happens - we come away from the draft with exactly those players, taken with relatively low picks! What's that tell us? It seems to suggest that (A) we have made up our minds early and (B) no other clubs rates them particularly highly. I find that astonishing! And these selections take up at least a third of our yearly intake of new players along with some 'golden boy' and some skinny project kid who won't grow or someone brought in to plug a need.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:28 pm 
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trublu wrote:
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We have a man trying to rebuild the club like he did at Collingwood.

Finally we have a man at the helm with a wealth of football knowledge. A 3 time premiership coach with the passion to coach and people are having a b i t c h and moan.

TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS...... Micks hands were tied last year when he took over in regards to make significant changes.

I can tell you right now why Warnock and Laidler are not getting a game...... Because of the money they are on doesnt match the their output for this club. SIMPLE AS THAT.

Mick cannot believe some of the financial deals our boys are on. Brock is one other on very good money and under Mick will not get a deal like that again.

Mick wants to free up plenty of money in the salary cap and these two were will be the first to be shown the door.


Hand's tied?

How did he sign all those copies of his book?


His hands didn't sign Warnock on a $400,000 dollar a year contract

His hands didnt waste draft picks on Russel, Bower, Watson, Lucas, Kruezer, Mitchell, Livingston, Kennedy

His hands didnt research articles by emma quayle and matt burgen on future draft prospects

His hands havent underdeveloped our list and leadership

How about having a crack at the likes like Swann, Sticks etc who have overrated our list, accpeted a mediocre recruiting department and a lack of player development.


Don't worry, they'll get theirs.

...........and MM is getting his in his thread for his mistakes.

I can tell you now if he doesn't get a couple of absolute A grade assistants next year we are sunk.


We can't afford A grade assistants because of the money Malthouse is on. :lol:

ROI is very poor.


Believe it or not..... Mick was paid a lot more at Collingwood than what he is being paid at Carlton.

Mick's contract is loaded with bonuses. Each week we progress in finals he receives more. And if he takes us to a flag, he gets lots lots more.

So for those saying Mick is on plenty again YOU HAVE NO IDEA


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Way off with Laidler too. He's out of contract and this is only his third season at the Blues after playing two games at Geelong and virtually nomgames last year, so he's hardly going to earning massive bucks.

Why do people come on hear and just make crap up?


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:37 pm 
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I don't like that he never attributes any blame to himself.
He doesn't mind potting the players though.
and I don't think it's conducive to building when you take good players and make them the sub.
It looks to me like the players are dispirited.
maybe they prefer being able to run with verve, flair and artistry, than being caged, and scowled at by a grumpy old man?

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:38 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Believe it or not..... Mick was paid a lot more at Collingwood than what he is being paid at Carlton.

Mick's contract is loaded with bonuses. Each week we progress in finals he receives more. And if he takes us to a flag, he gets lots lots more.

So for those saying Mick is on plenty again YOU HAVE NO IDEA


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You're plucking them from everywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:38 pm 
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Way off with Laidler too. He's out of contract and this is only his third season at the Blues after playing two games at Geelong and virtually nomgames last year, so he's hardly going to earning massive bucks.

Why do people come on hear and just make crap up?


Because you are always logged on and you can't help yourself? :?

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:42 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Way off with Laidler too. He's out of contract and this is only his third season at the Blues after playing two games at Geelong and virtually nomgames last year, so he's hardly going to earning massive bucks.

Why do people come on hear and just make crap up?


Never said he was on mega bucks.... just well paid over a player of his calibre should be paid. That what it took to get Laidler over. Neil Balme said it at the time that Carlton have offered him lots more money

When you have a hand full of those it makes life difficult when you are trying to make room to lure a player like Cloke


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:43 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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trublu wrote:
Those bagging Malthouse are clueless.

Mick knows exactly what it takes to win a premiership. The kind of players you need to win a premiership. The right culture you need....... THEY ARE NOT THAT EASY TO WIN

He has come from one of the best resourced clubs in history, what ever he wanted he got and thats why he had COllingwood play in 4 grand finals, 8 preliminary 6 in a row.

Those who thought Mick was going to walk in and steer the current group to a flag this year are delirious.

Season 2013 for Mick is working out if he has the ingredients to take this club to a flag...... He worked out pretty early in the piece he doesn't.

Mick is smart man. He will rebuild this list. Rebuild the culture. He will demand success and demand the resources that a club like ours should have. And I HAVE NO DOUBT THE CLUB WILL BE BETTER FOR IT


If he was a smart man he would be able to pick the right team and coach these players.


Reckon he'll be gone y end of next year.

This isn't the Pies or WCE, our board don't have the backbone or nous to make it work.

Our 150th year could be one of the worst in living memory.

Reckon we are cooked.


It would be diabolical for Carlton if Mick was to finish at the end of the year. It would shake the very foundations of the rebuild that is underway and you could kiss the club goodbye. Yes cooked.

I very rarely comment on these sort of club issues but after reading many of the posters following last night's debacle I will.

The problem as I see it is a cultural one. Carlton has not adjusted to AFL, as it is today. It is still locked in the VFL mentality of yesteryear.

In my view CFC has failed to adjust from an old boys club where money talked to the new socialist paradigm that defines the AFL; where prices are rigidly controlled and positive discrimination is practiced in the form of picks and funds for the benefit of the weak and indigent. To succeed in the new paradigm clubs must recruit young people and develop them, and not expect to buy them in a free market at the highest market price.

I think Mick Malthouse understands this and knows how to work successfully within these contraints. I don't think Stephan Kernahan does.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:44 pm 
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redback wrote:
trublu wrote:
Believe it or not..... Mick was paid a lot more at Collingwood than what he is being paid at Carlton.

Mick's contract is loaded with bonuses. Each week we progress in finals he receives more. And if he takes us to a flag, he gets lots lots more.

So for those saying Mick is on plenty again YOU HAVE NO IDEA


You need a chicken farm.

You're plucking them from everywhere.


whatever mate.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:53 pm 
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On the bright side at least it looks like Ess are [REDACTED]


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:39 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
As bad as last night was, I think some are underestimating just how bad we were at times last year as well (and please don't give me the injuries excuse). Last night was the only loss where we were truly done (although the Saints game was similar except for the comeback), every other loss we've been thereabouts against better teams.

It's what's in our players' heads that's a big part of the problem.

I'll judge Mick on what he does in the off-season player-wise, and although I expect 2014 to be another poor year, if the new batch shows some !@#$%& commitment I'll continue to trust him.


No doubt we had many horrible losses last year, and this year we've only had 2 (the St Kilda one was nearly as bad as last night considering how bad they are).

However, last year we had great wins as well, and this year we haven't really had any. Possibly West Coast, but the others were all meh, and we had injuries last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:51 pm 
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On the bright side at least it looks like Ess are !@#$%&


Thanks Shoog. Forgot about that for a minute.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:43 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Those bagging Malthouse are clueless.

Mick knows exactly what it takes to win a premiership. The kind of players you need to win a premiership. The right culture you need....... THEY ARE NOT THAT EASY TO WIN

He has come from one of the best resourced clubs in history, what ever he wanted he got and thats why he had COllingwood play in 4 grand finals, 8 preliminary 6 in a row.

Those who thought Mick was going to walk in and steer the current group to a flag this year are delirious.

Season 2013 for Mick is working out if he has the ingredients to take this club to a flag...... He worked out pretty early in the piece he doesn't.

Mick is smart man. He will rebuild this list. Rebuild the culture. He will demand success and demand the resources that a club like ours should have. And I HAVE NO DOUBT THE CLUB WILL BE BETTER FOR IT


Let's hope so :cry:


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 Post subject: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:09 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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On the bright side at least it looks like Ess are !@#$%&


Thanks Shoog. Forgot about that for a minute.


How can you forget :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:35 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Those bagging Malthouse are clueless.

Mick knows exactly what it takes to win a premiership. The kind of players you need to win a premiership. The right culture you need....... THEY ARE NOT THAT EASY TO WIN

He has come from one of the best resourced clubs in history, what ever he wanted he got and thats why he had COllingwood play in 4 grand finals, 8 preliminary 6 in a row.

Those who thought Mick was going to walk in and steer the current group to a flag this year are delirious.

Season 2013 for Mick is working out if he has the ingredients to take this club to a flag...... He worked out pretty early in the piece he doesn't.

Mick is smart man. He will rebuild this list. Rebuild the culture. He will demand success and demand the resources that a club like ours should have. And I HAVE NO DOUBT THE CLUB WILL BE BETTER FOR IT



Tell me oh wise one.
Are the players constantly torpedoing the ball for any other reason apart from a directive from the coaching staff and how is this tactic an advantageous, concise and methodical manner in going forward apart from wishful thinking?


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:46 pm 
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This needs an independent review of this footy club from top to bottom...

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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.........and playing injured players.

The old coot has form on this as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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Why play Menzel only once plus half a quarter? He should be playing every week.


Mick wont play kids like Graham, Buckley and Menzel if he thinks physically they are not up to it yet.

He wants to educate them, develop them and get these kids ready rather than throw them into the deep end early and it is the right move.

I'm sure towards the end of the year we will se Menzel, Bell, Buckley, Temay and Graham play a few games together and they will play a bigger part next year.

It's paganite03 with a new suit.

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It's paganite03 with a new suit.




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Is tru blue denim?
Seriously the crap being said is entertaining

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