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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:11 am 
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One of the non-negotiables in football is effort and intensity. We threw the towel in early.
No on- field leaders. No one to fly the flag when things are going south. Mentally fragile.
Sweeping changes needed over the summer. Hughes, Barker, Capuano need to go.30 psychologists in.
Gibbs up for trade. Lack of player development has been disgraceful.
Already sick of hearing, "we played a very good football side." Maybe it's because we're a very bad football side.
Can someone explain to me why none of our crumbing forwards are ever in out forward 50 arc when the ball gets there? Truly baffling.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:18 am 
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Robert Heatley wrote:
Mindset is an issue - I know it would be a team rule, but why else would Garlett run off the field after kicking a goal in the first 20 seconds? If I'm his opponent surely I'm worried he might have 2 goals in the first minute and I'm in for a long night. Read the game FFS! Understand the moment ! Don't be a robot.

From the stands it looks like procedural stuff like that is given more weight than sticking a tackle or hitting a target.



Good points here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:21 am 
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out of harmes' way wrote:
Already sick of hearing, "we played a very good football side."


Dear Mick,

What do you think was good about your coaching tonight?

What do you think was bad about your coaching tonight?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:26 am 
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Glad we spent millions on Mick.

Astute front office move.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:30 am 
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london blue wrote:
Surrey that's 4 - not 10


Why is it so hard to understand?
We have midfield run of, Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, Robinson, McLean, Lucas, Yarran, Carrazzo, etc.
Now for some reason, we played with 3 taggers and only 2 runners for most of last night!
We play with midfielders behind the ball and theferore restrict our ascendancy. Allow opposition to structure up forward of the centre!
When we do get the ball and move forward, we have limited options, with 1 Kp & 1 ruckman!
Top sides play 2 KP forwards and 1 ruckman. We refuse to do that.
Last night had the perfect opportunity to push Collingwood with Henderson forward but couldn't win the ball to make it happen, so we retreated and end of ball game. You cannot expect a young kid to hold your forward line together surrounded by midgets who want to do the flashy open field stuff only.
Bad coaching, bad structure, poor mindset from tanking years and no f&$)(ing leadership when needed.
That's what annoys me most about us right now, Everything!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:33 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
london blue wrote:
Surrey that's 4 - not 10


Why is it so hard to understand?
We have midfield run of, Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, Robinson, McLean, Lucas, Yarran, Carrazzo, etc.
Now for some reason, we played with 3 taggers and only 2 runners for most of last night!
We play with midfielders behind the ball and theferore restrict our ascendancy. Allow opposition to structure up forward of the centre!
When we do get the ball and move forward, we have limited options, with 1 Kp & 1 ruckman!
Top sides play 2 KP forwards and 1 ruckman. We refuse to do that.
Last night had the perfect opportunity to push Collingwood with Henderson forward but couldn't win the ball to make it happen, so we retreated and end of ball game. You cannot expect a young kid to hold your forward line together surrounded by midgets who want to do the flashy open field stuff only.
Bad coaching, bad structure, poor mindset from tanking years and no f&$)(ing leadership when needed.
That's what annoys me most about us right now, Everything!



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:38 am 
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I'm glad you find it funny. I and others find it embarrassing but I guess if its not about sticks & Ratten, then it's funny.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:43 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I'm glad you find it funny. I and others find it embarrassing but I guess if its not about sticks & Ratten, then it's funny.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:46 am 
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Henderson was given seven minutes in the forward line at the start of the 2nd, game over when he was moved back. Just one of the many stupid coaching decisions.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:47 am 
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Ratten had FIVE AND A HALF YEARS and what did he leave us with ?
I know people will say 'here we go, blaming Ratten again', but like it or not, its true.
Every action has a reaction. Last night was a culmination of years of poor recruiting, poor coaching and poor list management.
For people to day 'But Ratts had us playing well in 2011', speak to Cam Mooney, Paul Roos and Mick Malthouse to see how the opposition viewed our team back then.
Cant believe people going Mick after this. Did they expect him to turn poo into gold bullion ?
Not his fault the list is full of mentally fragile, undisciplined s0ft**k plodders...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:49 am 
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A coach MUST get the best out of what he has. Our coach is doing the opposite.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:58 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Ratten had FIVE AND A HALF YEARS and what did he leave us with ?
I know people will say 'here we go, blaming Ratten again', but like it or not, its true.
Every action has a reaction. Last night was a culmination of years of poor recruiting, poor coaching and poor list management.
Cant believe people going Mick after this. Did they expect him to turn poo into gold bullion ?
Not his fault the list is full of mentally fragile, undisciplined s0ft**k plodders...


Middle of the road at worst is not poo when MM took over unlike.
Melbourne was poo, Port was poo, Richmond was poo, Bulldogs was poo
Melbourne shit coach....poo
Bulldogs shit coach.......poo
Tigers better coach.......better and play direct, intensity and with purpose
Port better coach.......better than us with conviction and with direction.

better coach
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:01 am 
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The Collingwood forwards were running to midfield to create numbers and restrict Carlton there. Our forwards stay forward. If it's by instruction, it's bad instruction. If it's player initiative then it's awful

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:03 am 
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Carlton get flogged
Howard leaves the Lakers
Liverpool miss out on our main transfer target

Now my @#$%&! pancakes are lumpy

Where's that Bombers thread


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:07 am 
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Molly wrote:
Well I'm with the gang that says we need to draft midfielders by the truckload. Because we have an ageing midfield that gets consistently smashed by good teams and the only depth we have is Graham and possibly Buckley. In fairness some people would add Bell to that list - I personally don't, but for the sake of discussion we conceivably have 1-3 midfielders who can replace Judd, Carrazzo, McLean, or Simpson. That's without replacing any of the tagger / holding types Curnow, Armfield, Ellard when playing, and overlooking the possibility Murphy or Gibbs could get injuries.

So we have 1-3 possibles for replacing 4 ageing onballers, and zero depth to replace taggers with ball winners or fill in for injuries. To me that is as close as you get to a midfield crisis. Yeah we could go after Boyd. He'd stand in the goal square and catch a cold while we watched Jamo getting monstered by whatever key forward is standing down the other end.

The good news last night was McInnes. With him and Bootsma we have our HBF's sorted out - it only took Hughes the best part of ten drafts. But you look at Collingwood's midfield rotations and that is where we can't even hold a candle to other sides. The embarrassing thing is that Collingwood side isn't even all that good.

So off to the draft for mine. It's not meant to be great for height or pace but it is meant to be good for natural footballers who can play onball. We need to pick up at least four of them in my view just to even get to square one. Trades can be Kreuzer or Garlett. Keep Yarran and pray to hell he can develop a tank that may one day allow him to go into the square for five minutes per quarter. We'll have to hope Casboult comes on and sort out the talls in the 2014 offseason. No going for talls from state leagues this year either because Essendon* is going to have a monopoly on them.


great post

agree with everything


As I said elsewhere....need 10+ picks in the top 30 over the next 2 years.

Not sure Boyd is the answer....we'll sell the farm to get him...and he'll end up as another Judd....one man band.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:11 am 
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Wild Blue wrote:
Williams
Thomas
Seeds man
Hudson
Dwyer
Witte
Macaffer
Blair
Kennedy
Elliot
Sinclair
Young

Seriously, I'd trade anyone for thier recruiting genius. We could keep all our current number one picks and top up trading out Hampson, Warnock, Curnow and the rest. Contenders next year!


Any old hack looks good when you win by 40 points though.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:14 am 
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Seriously f*&ked if I know.

The next morning and I am as disappointed as anyone. During the last 6-8 months I have tried to be as positive as anyone regarding our list and its talent. Well I was wrong and I am gutted.

I sat there and watched us up to the 20 min mark we looked good. Then that was it. As soon as any pressure was put on us we folded.

The fact that we go for such long periods without looking like scoring is just scary. Our defensive efforts were pathetic. Players just jogging after the opposition.

This morning has made very interesting reading here on TC.

My take is there is some talent but they are mentally soft. It can come from personality or environment. I think its both. We are recruiting so called "talented" players that are mentally P1ssweak.

AFL is for the elite and weaknesses get exposed. We have too many.


Three examples:

Yarran. I was told by two recruiters they wouldn't of had him in the top 20. We took him at 6. Talent wasn't the issue but desire and effort was. Flashy player

Menzel. Rated as talented as anyone but nowhere near as tough as his brother. Very unfit and unbelievably bad skinfolds. Flashy player. Geelong would NOT have picked him if available. Said he was most talented on list but that's not what they value as much as other characteristics. How many kids from last years draft are now playing and playing well. Our top pick is struggling at VFL level.

Lucas. Great engine and nice kid. Soft and poor awareness and lacks poise. Rated around Top 30.

Let's not mention McLean (medical and slow), Rowe, Duigan, Warnock, Hampson. Wastes of picks.



We are also physically small. I have said it for years!!!!!!

Get next to our players and then stand next to players from Geelong, Sydney or Collingwood. We are lean they are like tree trunks.

After a decade of crap I was confident (or maybe just hoping) we were on the up. So many good picks wasted.

We lack guys with drive and desire. Selwood, Hodge types.

Judd aside, who I think has been unbelievable, we are a side of down hill skiers and are soft across the board. What example is that to our younger kids????


Unfortunately I think its major clear out time and start again.

Pressure is on our recruiting staff and anyone involved in the last 5 -10 years should be sacked.

Sad. :cry:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:15 am 
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Ok if you need numerous midfielders.

You break them down into being capa ble of doing
a) win ball
b) defend
c) spread
d) hurt opp with disposal.

having all 4 is great
3 is good
2 is average
1 is not good enough,,,,

how many do we have that are capable of doing 3 things very well???

and lets forget about leadership for the moment...

lets look at midfield...!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:15 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel. Rated as talented as anyone but nowhere near as tough as his brother. Very unfit and unbelievably bad skinfolds. Flashy player. Geelong would NOT have picked him if available. Said he was most talented on list but that's not what they value as much as other characteristics. How many kids from last years draft are now playing and playing well. Our top pick is struggling at VFL level.


This is OTT psych

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:16 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel. Rated as talented as anyone but nowhere near as tough as his brother. Very unfit and unbelievably bad skinfolds. Flashy player. Geelong would NOT have picked him if available. Said he was most talented on list but that's not what they value as much as other characteristics. How many kids from last years draft are now playing and playing well. Our top pick is struggling at VFL level.


This is OTT psych


In what way?

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