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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:46 pm 
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Just watched 360 and they had a few scenarios for securing the number one pick.
One was involving 4 clubs and basically we give up Gibbs and Yarran to Essendon* and in return we get pick 1.
The other was Yarran, Warnock and Laidler and our first pick for the number one pick, that one i could live with.
By the way, they interviewed Boyd and he barracks for Carlton.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:53 pm 
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We need a system where clubs can trade future pcks.

If we could offer GWS our first round this year and next year & Warnock for pick 1 (Boyd) & Jakcsh that is something that might suit both parties?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:14 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
We need a system where clubs can trade future pcks.

If we could offer GWS our first round this year and next year & Warnock for pick 1 (Boyd) & Jakcsh that is something that might suit both parties?


It would and I think the future pick scenario will be reality sooner rather than later.

Will make things interesting as a lot of clubs will throw the kitchen sink if they think their close to a flag.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:25 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Just watched 360 and they had a few scenarios for securing the number one pick.
One was involving 4 clubs and basically we give up Gibbs and Yarran to Essendon* and in return we get pick 1.
The other was Yarran, Warnock and Laidler and our first pick for the number one pick, that one i could live with.
By the way, they interviewed Boyd and he barracks for Carlton.



That was amazing.

Boyd barracks for the Blues.

Waite retires/ breaksdown in 2015.
Casboult gets his kicking right by 2015 ???? Might improve a tad...bearable???
Need Boyd with Henderson and Casboult changing in the FP/ ruck, so we still need a CHB after Waite is gone to cover Hendo's absence or we need another KPF with Boyd.

If we can do that and sort out our spine, we can get free agents and other mids to come and play for a flag with MM.

Hopefully Jamison plays another 5 years till he's a 30yo....coz he's another KP we'd have to cover.

We need quality bigmen...I think we still target the best other big man available from Swans, Bumbers, Freo, GWS and Suns.....if we cant get Talia.

Surely if Watson, Mitchell, Rowe dont make it we should hold in hope that McCarthy comes good. Geez the recruiters/ development coaches stuffed up big time. :sad:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:14 pm 
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Pick 1 & 19 from GWS for

Pick 9 Yarran, Hampson & Laidler.

If we got

Daisy via Free Agency
Boyd w Pick One
Pick 19

Along w approx 6 new kids and a few rookies and maybe some extra picks in 30s & 40s for some players how would you feel?

Round One 2014 we could have:

B: Simpson Jamison McInnes
HB: Walker Henderson Tuohy

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Thomas Graham Judd

HF: Garlett Casboult Menzel
F: Betts Boyd Waite

Int from: Bootsma Carrazzo Armfield Bell Robinson Lucas Cachia Pick 19


Plus a heap of talented kids after getting rid of deadwood.

Gone: Davies Watson Mitchell Collins Joseph Rowe Dale Scotland Duigan

Are we that far away?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:36 pm 
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I would trade Kreuzer and our 1st pick for GWS pick 1 (if they would accept it)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:37 pm 
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Two players or a player and a pick should be enough, anything else is overs.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:42 am 
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99prelim wrote:
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..replied to the same post elsewhere.. ..Krooz has good agility for a ruckman, but a CHF would be too quick on the burst, and possibly too nimble in manouvering, although Krooz would probably win as many as he lost ground ball contests.. ..thing is, Krooz is a ruck, that can play a role up fwd dictating the play.. ..though up fwd he's not as good in the ruck.. ..but at CHB, i think he'd be a waste..


He's an average ruck and an average/below average forward.
Sounds like he's a waste in those positions.
Could see him becoming the general of that first line of defence
And yes...he'll need some coaching and time
Needs to be settled at CHB, play one direction only, learn to compete when one on one, position smartly to minimise separation on a lead and be given carte blanche to go first,second or third man up when required

Someone like Brown, Franklin or Reiwoldt would have him blown up inside the fist fifteen minutes. He can cover ground at his own pace but not like those blokes. Franklin has the speed of Garlett when he is at full stride. Three false leads over 50 or 60 metres each and he'd be standing with his hands on his knees chucking up his guts.


There are creative game plan strategies around this I'm sure.
Eg. when they lead to certain areas, a switch is done and Krooz becomes the spare. When Brown et al return, Krooze picks him up etc.
When you look at the proliferation of game plans and strategies over the last 5 years, this issue is a drop in the ocean
BTW, Brown will be finished in a year or two
Ditto Riewoldt

That's good news. So he'll only have to contend with Franklin, Patton, Boyd, Daniher...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:44 am 
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Judd Lucas and Watson.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:40 am 
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Just talked to a mate who was at visypark watching the Mariners play, he spoke to some random guy their reckons, Warnock,hampson, duigan and laidler will not be at the blues next year, also said we are cashed up and ready to put a package together for franklin in the next month.
Do not know whether to believe this guy, but that is what he said.
I asked him how much to get him, he replied around 1.5mill


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:45 am 
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Trigger wrote:
Just talked to a mate who was at visypark watching the Mariners play, he spoke to some random guy their reckons, Warnock,hampson, duigan and laidler will not be at the blues next year, also said we are cashed up and ready to put a package together for franklin in the next month.
Do not know whether to believe this guy, but that is what he said.
I asked him how much to get him, he replied around 1.5mill

why not 3 good players i wonder???

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:32 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Trigger wrote:
Just talked to a mate who was at visypark watching the Mariners play, he spoke to some random guy their reckons, Warnock,hampson, duigan and laidler will not be at the blues next year, also said we are cashed up and ready to put a package together for franklin in the next month.
Do not know whether to believe this guy, but that is what he said.
I asked him how much to get him, he replied around 1.5mill

why not 3 good players i wonder???


Who knows, but judging by past experiences for quick fixes it would not surprise me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:40 am 
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I would trade Murphy for Pick 1 (and maybe 19).

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:44 am 
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Laidlers value is zilch since he hasn't been able to get a game. Same with Hampson.
Why would they want swap a No 1 pick for B graders ?
Yazz's value has taken a hit in the last month or so, but if he fires up again and puts in displays in the run home like early this year, his value will sky rocket again.
Gibbs has gone up another level this year, so his value is high. Plus he has leadership wqalities that a young Giants team need in spades.
Realistically guys. GWS would want something big. A Grade quality.
Reckon something like Kreuzer + Yarran or Gibbs + Yarran might be close to getting to job done.
If we can get Daisy via free agaency, that would offset the loss of Gibbs.
Yazz while brilliant one week, can be cold as ice the next. Have the other two Indigenous boys to do his role up forward, and Walks has taken over his run and carry role off HB. Could live without him.
Kreuz - Hasn't been quite the same since his knee, but would be great at a team like GWS. We ve got Warnock and Hampson, and to a lesser extend Levi as ruck options going forward, so the Ruckman with the highest value right now is Kreuz. Might have to bite the bullet and put him in as part of the trade.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:06 am 
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Geez I'd hate it if we sold the farm for Boyd and he turned out to be another Watts, Hansen, Gumbleton, Thorpe, Fraser, Kosczitske, Kreuzer etc. Or even someone like Patton who can't get on the park.
Just saying there is a fair bit of risk involved.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:17 am 
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Humpers wrote:
Geez I'd hate it if we sold the farm for Boyd and he turned out to be another Watts, Hansen, Gumbleton, Thorpe, Fraser, Kosczitske, Kreuzer etc. Or even someone like Patton who can't get on the park.
Just saying there is a fair bit of risk involved.


On the other hand, he can turn out like Roughey, Franklin, Reiwoldt, Hawkins, Pav etc...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:21 am 
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Aside from the Boyd/Thomas hype, how much of a list cull can we really expect?

The compulsory three list changes will see us with draft picks in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds. I'd say we'll have a fourth delistee and hence a 4th round pick too. Anyone else chopped from there is really getting cut for a pick in the 60s.

The concensus is we will trade a ruckman, so what will that get us? Clubs won't pay much more than a late second rounder at absolute best for Warnock/Hampson (look what we got for Jacobs).

Kruezer will maybe get us a first rounder, but I doubt it'd be a top 10 pick and I doubt we'll trade him anyway.

A hypothetical Dale Thomas via free agency for the list spot of say Aaron Joseph helps a lot, but I just can't see the massive changes happening.

Nor can I see us putting together a trade for pick 1.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:23 am 
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If we don't delist at least 8 players this year Mick isn't really trying.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Not sure about the Buddy option.
I guess he'd replace Judd as our 'star'...
Don't know. Would rather get a couple of good solid potential great players and have money left to pay for our current stars and those who become stars than throw everything at one star.
Judd was the exception b/c only him or Jonathan Brown could have put the team on their shoulders and changed the culture at the time. And we will be struggling to win a flag while he is still playing.

I'd still prefer to trade 1 star + 1st rounder for Boyd OR lure a not-quite-but-could-be star like Watts, Frawley, S Reid etc...
in the 80s we could just buy up big with no salary cap. In the 90s we did the same but pretended there was no salary cap. different now.

I also don't think a gun CHF will solve all our problems - it will help but not the biggest ticket, in my mind. We need to get better at bringing the ball in to the forward line. Worth much more than 1 great player there. And that's why we spent big on Malthouse (with no salary cap implications).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:27 pm 
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agree with agro

bare minimum and i dont know contract details but

davies, duigan, joseph, scotland retired gone

might be able to trade leave FA laidler/hampson/warnock

not sure what mick will be thinking Mccarthy, watson, Mitchell, Rowe

we should get 8 from that and then the rookies

collins and dale o'keefe gone


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