Reckon we move Krooz on as part of the deal.
I know im gonna get shot for saying it, just think we can get the same "ruck output" from a project ruckman or someone like a Bellchambers who isnt getting games elsewhere.

..sounds good for the hawks, bit shizen for the Giants.. ..they can get Franklin thru F.A, why would they make the trade..?.. ..it's not franklin plus another player, unless that player is a star, cos franklin they get thru F.A [for free trade wise].. ..and hawks 1st rounder..?.. ..could be pick 18, maybe even after if a club gets a PP this year.. ..Giants will buy in talent vis F.A and huge cheque book, and then IF they great a great trade, pick 1 will get them more stars.. ..pick 1 won't be going cheap.. ..pick 1 will get them a star, and they get buddy via FA..

..wiggo was a battler, Krooz is much more than a battler, seriously.. ..and Krooz is better than 'just OK'.. ..if Krooz is just ok, then no hope in hell krooz and our 1st rounder is worth pick1.. ..you can't have it both ways.. ..you cant under-rate him as the player, and then over-rate his trade market value..

..vs the hawks he puts on a brilliant display of tap skill, in terrible conditions get outbodied a few times by Pyke the following week, but still has a good game around the ground and has a better game than over half the team.... ..and he's only an ok player..

..yes i understand we have 3 rucks, but he's better than both.. ..you don't trade out your younger, more durable ruck.. ..yes he will get the most on the trade market, much more than what rumours suggest we were offered last year for knockers and hampson.. ..and there's a valid reason for this.. ..knockers and hampson can play 1st ruck yes, but cant carry 1st ruck.. ..so, in the space of 3 or 4 years we lose sauce and krooz, and keep knockers and hampson..??!!.. ..we deserve to stay shite with that thinking..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..of course you'll get shot down.. ..so, now you can get the same ruck output from a project type, as Krooz.. ..how crap must knockers and hampson be then..??!!

..would be seriously surprised if Bellchambers is on the market..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

None of our rucks take marks around the ground regularly. None of them go to the backline to fill a hole.

I think even Casboult does this better than our 3 ruckmen.

We can easily trade any of our ruckmen, and Kruze is the one with the most value.

Overated as a number one pick....... He escapes the spotlight way too much.

No way GWS will give us Pick 1 for Kruezer. Maybe for K and Yarran, maybe, and the players would have to agree to it!

If you could get a first round pick for Kruezer I would take it and the best option for Yarran may be to be traded to WA and only if MM believes he cannot become a 4 qtr player.

As much potential Boyd has I don't agree with putting all our eggs in one basket.

Personally I believe we need quality mids as much as anything.

We will clear 10-12 players come years end whether it be trade or delistings.

Hampson or Warnock may be worth 3rd Rounders. Laidler the same. Freo may pay a second rounder for Yarran? Be surprised if we could get a pick inside top 20 for Kruezer. Personally I believe he will stay.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

So you're happy with Kruezers output in the ruck are you?

Getting smashed by overseas "project" ruckmen in Pyke.

It'd be Kreuzer and Yarran and/or Kreuzer and our first rounder ...but I'd want their third round pick as well if that were to be done. You're right Psych - players would have to agree...I don't see a problem with Yarran (who wanted Sydney to recruit him), but Kreuzer would have to be told that he wouldn't get a regular game next year. Add cash and I reckon he'd get there.

AS for quality midfielders....we have some...we just need hard working midfielders! For whatever reason (and there must be a reason) - our highest paid midfielders don't run both ways.

..how many marks around the ground do you think rucks are meant to take..?.. ..and i'm genuinely curious, cos as far as rucks go Krooz is better than average.. ..and up there with, or better than, many rucks that ppl Think take more marks then him..

..Hammer's marking has improved, but thats with him playing mostly fwd these last 2 seasons so he gets more opportunity..

..Knockers is flat out hopeless..

..Bolt is a fwd, he ought to be a better mark..

..as for pushing back hard to help defence, It's how krooz has gotten his biggest injuries, pushing back hard to fill in holes.. ..krooz is one of the hardest running two way players we have..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..cos we're a dumb club Doc.. ..we heap praise on the flashy types, that think they're too good to put in the hard yards every game, no matter how the game is going.. ..and then we wonder why they don't work hard both ways..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Sad indictment on the list.

..i've watched Krooz chase an opposition player almost the full length of the ground, from our fwd to our def, and watched him run pass our own players jogging.. ..and i've lost count how many times i've seen it.. ..this is another reason why i believe Krooz is one of those crucial type players.. ..our list, in it's current attitude, cant spare players of krooz's mindset.. ..we have too many players that pick and choose their effort levels, from week to week.. ..i reckon these are the types you move on, and we have some talent in this group that could help revitalise the list before offloading krooz..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Yep. You can't question Kruezer's effort and workrate.

I believe Kruezer will stay. Has a contract and he is probably our best bet in the ruck and his trade value isn't as high as some believe.

It comes down to how good we are at trading and drafting. You can get some gold from pick 20 and above.

The big issue I have is we pick guys like Yarran & Menzel that have talent but seem to be a long way from playing regular and influential football.

Look at last years draft. A lot of players already playing regular senior footy and playing very well.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Kreuzer and Pick 10-12 wont get Pick 1

_________________
James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Is what we get for trading Kreuzer that much better than what we'd get for some sort of Warnock/Hampson package?

I'd rather back Kreuzer in (and to a lesser extent, Casboult) and trade the other two.

Warnock, Yarran and our first pick for pick 1 and their third rounder
Hampson to whoever for another third rounder.

_________________
BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Why is Yarran getting bagged all of a sudden.

He plays great games in the forward line while Betts is away, then gets shafted in other parts of the ground. Then gets made sub and is expected to make an impact in the last 15 minutes of the game.

Then he gets dropped and gets put back in as a sub again.

Yes he should be more professional and not get upset, but he is a confidence player and not a good sub.

Surely our super coaches should realise this.

How quickly we jump off.................

Betts is the one that needs some criticism, he has not been the same since getting suspended.

I would be putting Betts in the middle and keeping Yazz forward for the whole game.

You could see he was trying when he came on, on Friday night. Laying tackles etc.......

By the way I still think we should have taken Rich instead of Yarran.

Yarran is obviously more talented but we need strong reliable players.

We take too many risks. Hope Menzel works out thats for sure...........

_________________
BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Dear god.

_________________
dane's trolling again

Greg Swann is on radio right now. KB just asked him about trading Kreuzer.
Dismissed it straight away, said why would we do that and wont happen.

because he was recruited in 2008 and is now 22. We should be seeing so much more by now.

Have we seriously wasted pick 6 on a small forward?

Our "Gun" recruiters said he will develop into a star mid after a few pre seasons, now has had 5. How many does he need?

Unfortunately will never be more than a flashy player.

and to think we could of had a Sidebottom, Ziebell, Rich, Davis, Beams or Hanneberry. They may not have the raw skill but will be better contributors.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015