Play him on the ball; not as a forward tagger.

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Point is, doesn't matter what the pick is, it is how you use it or them.

I'd be happy to argue that over the last 10 years the Swnas have used their picks and traded far more successfully than us.

However, if you think that more high draft picks is the solution.........

We should start speaking to Taylor Adams IMO.
Unfortunately I doubt we'd get much for either Hampson or Warnock - probably a 3rd rounder at best.

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Jake Niall: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2p48q.html

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kruezer and our first pick for tom boyd

where do i sign?

keep yarran - betts is on the decline - mick will get into yarrans head and improve his work ethic

then we need to somehow get another mid to late first round pick

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

So trade our Number 1 ruck man?

Hmm...... nah i'll pass thanks.


Sure, by all means get rid of Hampson or Warnock..... i don't care what for either. But Kreuzer is our ruck man. Trade him and where does that leave us?

And all this nonesense of trading for draft picks is just laughable. We we're just beaten by the reigning premiers who have never relied on draft picks EVER......... hell, half of their list are previous 'rejects' from other clubs in the same situation as us.

Development is where we are lacking. 10 x #1 picks aren't going to help us out unless we address the issue of how Carlton develop their players. It's been our Achilles heal for the last 10 years.

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That's hard to argue with.

Could you imagine if we started trading fan favourites like Robinson or Armfield for unknowns or delistees from other clubs? Gee there would be a shitstorm.

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Like it or not, I think we need to try and trade higher into the draft and go for a free agent.

If you want a Rolls Royce there is no point in trading a Holden for it. You need a car that can do what the Rolls won't do but of similar value. In this case, GWS doesn't need the player in point at #1 so can trade him for something they want. If that's Kreuzer, so be it. Hampson isn't that far behind him anyway.

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Walker probably in front in the B and F playing as a rebounding defender. Great season so far

Menzel looks a fine player for the future. Be patient

Murphy going ok until cheek bone drama. Still doesn't work hard enough defensively. Shouldn't be captain

Gibbs improved this year as a mid. Still a disappointment for a number one pick though. Need to see more creativity when he has the ball.

Judd great player on the slide. Kicking a major issue


Simpson Has stepped it up as a defender as the year has gone on. A better captain than Murphy. needs to lose the beard

Buckley needs to improve aerobic capacity and strength but has ability. Keep patient

Kreuzer free from injury but still below average. Needs to play as an onballer IMO. Doesn't get enough possesions and take enough marks. Jury still out

Lucas does some things right and does too many things wrong. Weak in the clinches. Can run and seems to be a MM favourite

Watson time running out for this guy. getting monstered in the twos and has lost confidence

Warnock trade him

Robinson gives his all but lacks class

Yarran complete opposite to Robinson

McLean good year from Brock.Solid footballer who makes good decisions

Laidler playing forward in the twos and not getting a look in. papers appear stamped

Rowe one trick pony.

Temay earlier days but not as promising as Graham and Menzel

Betts injuries haven't helped but not a patch on last year

Bootsma lacks strength. Not convinced

Hampson trade him

Henderson great year down back. Should be captain

McCarthy not up to it

Mitchell ditto

McInnes hopefully will get some senior footy soon. Seems to have come back well. Good defender

Armfield improved player but would like him to not tag. Reckon he is better than that

Scotland been a fine player but end is near

Waite the Essendon* game the stupid report and the Swans game sum him up. Mr inconsistent. Overrated

Davies gone

Graham put him in the seniors now. This kid has class

Duigan gone

Gartlett great start but last month has been crap. Needs to dig deep now

Jamison good year in defence. Admire how he has played with bad shoulder

Casboult kicking and tank need improvement.best mark at the club so keep him in

Tuohy ok but needs to advance into the midfield. Ironically best kick at the club

White been give an opportunity in defence. Good start to the year but has since gone off the boil. IMO not up to it

Carrazzo calfs are old man injuries. A worry

Joseph gone

Ellard season ruined by injury

Collins just ok might be gone

O'Keefe cant get body right on borrowed time

Bell tries hard but lacks skill

Curnow improved in tagging role. Trouble is we have too many taggers

Cachia better than Curnow. Great to see him finally rewarded.


Dale doesn't do enough in the magoos


interesting to see how the post season goes

Spot on assessment.

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He may be our No.1 but he is not a top grade ruckman. Works hard but will never dominate. Trade the lot and recruit another one. Need a big bodied aggressive ruckman.

Mumfords out of contract?

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Just on trading ruckman, there was some talk about here during last trade week that we shopped them around, but decided to keep when the best offer we received was around the '3rd round mark'. Story on the final day was that Collingwood made a late run, but would only go as high as around pick 40 for Warnock.

Gone over the last 5 or so trade years to get a guide on what the market might determine as value despite strength of draft, contract status etc

Having Smellchambers on the table wont help us, although the fact that our guys will be eligible to play before 2019 will hopefully work in our favour.

Hamish Mcintosh to Geelong for Pick 36

Angus Graham and Pick 50 to Adelaide for 40

Tom Hickey and Picks 26 and 47 to St Kilda for Picks 13, 37 and 57

Ivan Maric to Richmond for Pick 37

Brett Renouf to Port for Pick 33

Josh Jenkins and Pick 41 to Adelaide for Pick 31

David Hale and Pick 52 to Hawthorn for Picks 27 and 71

Sam Jacobs to Adelaide for Picks 34 and 67

Jonathan Griffin to Fremantle for Pick 61

Darren Jolly to Collingwood for Picks 14 and 46

Shane Mumford to Sydney for Pick 28

Robert Warnock and Pick 69 to Carlton for Picks 24, 56, and 72

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tend to agree

my view is that we need to obtain as many draft picks as possible including third and fourth rounders, hopefully the primary focus is on big bodied midfielders who can kick (ala Sydney)

our list needs to be refreshed and turned over at the bottom end

the other objective should be to also land a free agent eg Daisy

I really don't get the belief that he can make it. A lot of people I know think he will be a good player and it makes me reassess my opinion but I seriously cannot see him making it.

Just doesn't have the ball winning ability. Skilful, yes but too inconsistent. At 20 I'd like to see a bit more.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm struggling to believe.

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Pity our mosquito fleet had boys and our CHF had girls eh?

What's the news on jack Silvagni? anybody?

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Lots of talk going around now that after half a season MM is very unhappy with list and has been shown to have a lot of deficiencies.

If true we could in for a massive shake up.

I can see a minimum 10 changes come years end. Get the feeling we will be very aggressive come trade period and free agency period.

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The concern is that the club will throw all its eggs in one basket....

A big cheque thrown Daisy's way. Even if it is just free agency and does not involve a trade, it would still be a massive chunk of cap room taken up. This is the big contract for Daisy.

The club and supporters need to get off the idea that throwing cash at big names is the panacea. Throwing cash at coaches and players. Build the list methodically. Go through proper process to appoint the coaches. Proper succession planning for the board.

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Starting to get more excited about the off season than the 2h of this season. Hopefully we can clean out the list and get some quality in.

Give this man a cigar.....

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Totally agree. The only thing I would say is that MM has taken over a list that seems to have a lot of holes in it and a lot of average players.

It took teams like Sydney & Geelong a bit of time to build that. Once they have they continually refresh and there development and recruiting is first class.

For what ever reason we have a list with a lot of very average players that for whatever reason have not stood up and become what we have hoped.

A lot of them have been on our list for 3-4 years oreven more and in this league that is enough.

I believe that this year will see a big cull of players and that in the coming years we will see consistent turnover.

We have a "core" of very good players but we fall away badly after that.

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