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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Im going to get hammered for this but a guy who grew up playing rugby in Canada is a better ruckmen than Kreuzer, yes he gives his all but not good enough for a No1 draft pick.



He certainly had the better of Kreuzer tonight, which is very disappointing.


..Pyke is in rare form, he's had the better of almost every opponent he's come up against, including within the swans, he's their number 1 now..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:52 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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didn't they beat Sydney in the wet with Ratts?


Didn't they lose to the Southport thirds under Ratts?
Didn't they lose to PA last year under Ratts?
Didn't Dalhaus have a feast under Ratts?
Didn't Lindsay Thomas kick Avogadro's number on us under Ratts?

What's your point?

well, I was grumpy last nite, :wink:
but..I believe I meant...it's not ground breaking that MM showed our boys how to kick in the wet. :smile:
I can see some improvement..not being stubborn about this.
also can see some player who seem to be shining less, or not allowed/feel a bit quashed? under MM.
I know it's teething pains. (God I hope it is.)
Anyway..
credit to..
hendo..what a star.
simmo..gallant and brave in the wet. (will pay TM infringement fine)
gibbs..was as tough as you'd ever wish him to be.

are we just a few hacks dropped away from great success?
will it take til after next draft?
can we make the 8, and keep improving?
right now, I just want us to win again.
starting next fri. nite.
come back Carrots!!!!!
don't care how slow some say he is..
I'd prefer Laidler for White any day
and...
ditto Bell, for whoever they have to take out.


I'm grumpy too BG so don't take offence at my curt response.
Bottom line is that our predicament in 2013 is like a minestrone. It's ingredients are made up of a bit of everyone's views

Ellliott sacking Brittain prematurely
Elliott being Elliot
Pagan...enough said
Not identifying anyone except Ratten in 2006 (Lyon comes to mind)
Etihad deal
over reliance on Fev and Judd
Pathetic recruiting
Shocking development
Bogan president
philanthropic culture of financial gain
Giving Ratts a second contract
Going for another quick fix with MM
ETC ETC


aww..I love making up. :smile: :gift:
well, much as I love evil rossy....... :evil: (I suppose it's fine if he's coaching your team.)
I guess at the end of 2014..we'll see a bit better what's ahead.
I agree re rushed decision to get MM. I hope it works out.
I wanted to wait and try for Roosy..turns out he would have come to us last minute..but too late.(I think that's true..might be another rumour)
but..I'm on board for the boys.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:54 pm 
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Might help if people just put away their expectations for this season....it ain't about this season....we're sifting through the crap at the moment....


Never a truer post posted. As disappointing as it is and hard to accept it's spot on. Finals should be a bonus. Lets get a list manager and sort this mess out.


Bring in Terry Wallace...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:15 pm 
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Was there a big change in the Collingwood team in the final year that Tony Shaw coached and the team that made it to the Grand Final against Brisbane under Mick Malthouse?

Our current list is going nowhere. I really hope Mick makes some big changes at the end of the year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
AGRO wrote:
gsd112 wrote:
Im going to get hammered for this but a guy who grew up playing rugby in Canada is a better ruckmen than Kreuzer, yes he gives his all but not good enough for a No1 draft pick.



He certainly had the better of Kreuzer tonight, which is very disappointing.


..Pyke is in rare form, he's had the better of almost every opponent he's come up against, including within the swans, he's their number 1 now..


Its funny cause you look at Hamson and he looks like he first picked up a football at 18, whereas you look at Pyke and it appears as if hes been playing footy his whole life. I'm wondering how much of it comes down to development and each clubs ability to bring out the best of the player, or maybe Hamson just wasn't cut out for footy.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:33 pm 
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As someone on radio this morning said.....Sydney have been training in this wet weather for awhile now; and were accustomed to the conditions; and.....we forgot the No.1 Rule in wet weather.....play in front....the wild kicks and the miskicks always drop short; and the man in front virtually gets the ball fall into his lap.

They also kicked the ball off the ground towards their goal, instead of trying to pick it up as we persisted in doing......fumble fumble.....ball gone..... :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:40 pm 
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At the airport now heading for Launceston for tomorrow's game.

Agree with J&K. It's a nothing year. If we get a cheap finals win over a traditional rival. Bonus. The emphasis is largely on how well we perform in the off season. Not convinced that the culture of the club has changed enough that would allow for us to be aggressive and proactive in the trade window. I'll even settle for them to realise that delisting ten blokes won't solve anything and that we at least rationalise retaining 3-4 of them and making a go of them.

Gibbs had a good game but he's a deadset liability with his refusal to play third man up. Cost us a goal early on and should have another were it not for fortunate umpiring.

Bootsma plays every week for rest of year for mine.

Don't understand the "Lucas for (insert my favourite player here who will suddenly go from VFL shitkicker to making us a four goal better team)". Whoever your answer is doesn't play the same role, is Dylan Buckley and doing very little in the VFL or Frazer Dale of the VFL seconds. Anyone Else is an overrated hack sometimes.

I hope we're looking for a ready made replacement for Scotland. Folly to have him go on next year in this form. Can say with a straight face that Davies would have offered more.

Garlett needs to be better than that. Looked defeated by halfway thru the second quarter. Conditions don't suit me, bigger this, cue in rack...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:47 pm 
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Gibbs was excellent, one incident of not going third man up doesn't make a game.

Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:49 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:

Don't understand the "Lucas for (insert my favourite player here who will suddenly go from VFL shitkicker to making us a four goal better team)". Whoever your answer is doesn't play the same role, is Dylan Buckley and doing very little in the VFL or Frazer Dale of the VFL seconds. Anyone Else is an overrated hack sometimes.



Issue with lucas isnt his ability to get the ball - it never has been.

Rather, it iss the consistent lack of body pressure/physical presence and regular shanks (not just bad kicks but really bad ones) - for mine, I'd be quite happy to rotate through other players that might not get the ball as much but have more consistent skills (ie buckley) or even to have someone like garlett/simpson to take his role in the team and to find their on field replacements elsewhere (mcinness/menzel/buckley/yarran)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:58 pm 
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I'm not defending Lucas, rather the match committee that pick him every week.

If Buckley or Dale start performing like they deserve senior selection, by all means, see ya later Kane, GTFO. Until then, he plays a role that no one else is putting their hand up for, or are performing a more serviceable role elsewhere. At the very least, we're polishing a turd for trade week.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


This was a key moment; hungry Jarrad Waite.

They most likely would've run into an open goal.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:54 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


This was a key moment; hungry Jarrad Waite.

They most likely would've run into an open goal.


and missed from 15 metres out


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:34 am 
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Effes wrote:
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Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


This was a key moment; hungry Jarrad Waite.

They most likely would've run into an open goal.



Kicking into the man on the mark was just as bad. Under 10s stuff.
Carlton had momentum and Sydney took it up the other end and goaled.
Same old, same old....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:42 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


This was a key moment; hungry Jarrad Waite.

They most likely would've run into an open goal.



Kicking into the man on the mark was just as bad. Under 10s stuff.
Carlton had momentum and Sydney took it up the other end and goaled.
Same old, same old....


I had the exact same thought. Sloppy player.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:51 am 
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We don't play as a team. We are still a bunch of individuals when it comes to a lot things.
I guess that comes with having many top picks.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:52 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Waite not hand balling to running players in the 3rd and having a speculative shot was far worse.


This was a key moment; hungry Jarrad Waite.

They most likely would've run into an open goal.



Kicking into the man on the mark was just as bad. Under 10s stuff.
Carlton had momentum and Sydney took it up the other end and goaled.
Same old, same old....



sums up waite's career really.

takes a super contested mark in persistent rain and then...... brain fade


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:12 am 
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..Waite isn't a key fwd leader/general type.. ..he's a good 'touch' tall flanker, and can take good marks especially at pace.. ..but he's more likely to run to the pockets, he runs into space far more often then he leads directly at the ball carrier.. ..its why i think of him as more flanker than KPF.. ..given his age and fragility, we need not just a replacement for him, but a real KPF.. ..Hendo up fwd does have smarter running patterns, and leads at the ball carrier..

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:55 pm 
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Bell has no tank... in these conditions he would be cooked in 40 minutes...


I thought he was an elite distance runner?

he was.... at primary school...when he was 62 kilos.... no way is he an elite runner now...plus would have been more kicks to their defenders.


I've said it before. When Bell came to Carlton in his first preseason he was outstanding in the run around Princes Park...2nd or 3rd after Curnow.
So lets get real about his endurance. He may have appeared slow when you saw him int he 2's 3 weeks ago, but his training load may have hindered him a bit for all we know.

He has also run out games he's played in the seniors. I think its decision making that is holding him back....he gets caught a fair bit, and his foot passing is sometimes astray....his kicking for goal is quite good and in the preseason kicked a 9 pointer and nearly got a 2nd.

He has some weapons and needs some developing. Yes his engine can improve. He's young and has a future.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Great side. '9 Premiership players missing', but most importantly the hardcore of the midfield remained which was where the game was won.

Even so they lose nothing when replacing Mumford with Pyke. Everitt covered Morton. Tippett is better than Reid, Rampe replaces Johnson, they bring in Mitchell this year nd Parker steps up from 2012 to allow McVeigh to go back to HB to fill in for Shaw etc etc

We miss Murphy and Carrazzo and replace them with Curnow and Cachia.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:07 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
AGRO wrote:
gsd112 wrote:
Im going to get hammered for this but a guy who grew up playing rugby in Canada is a better ruckmen than Kreuzer, yes he gives his all but not good enough for a No1 draft pick.



He certainly had the better of Kreuzer tonight, which is very disappointing.


..Pyke is in rare form, he's had the better of almost every opponent he's come up against, including within the swans, he's their number 1 now..


Put Pyke's form aside. We know his talent has been manufactured from intense development at the Swans Academy.
Lets not forget this guy in good form is up agaist a No 1 Draft pick who has played the game since day dot.....and it wasn't ideal conditions for talls.

So BKB tell me how you think Kreuzer went against Pyke?
And, how do you think Kreuzer play?
Anything excite you? Anything disappoint you?
Do you think he should have taken those 2 chest marks he dropped when he was on his own?

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