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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:43 pm 
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Doesn't possess the running skills and sure ball handling and balance of an onballer either. Cant rotate him in for a few mins.
Nothing against him but from a team balance point of view I don't think another of his type is required in the 22. I would only pick one of White or him. Or none if we had a really good onballer in the twos.

I can see the team we picked being run over late in the game again.


I understand you need as many players able to rotate through the middle as possible, and that isn't his go.

I don't think everyone has to be able to either play tall or onball though.

He needs experience and to adjust to the demands of AFL football. He needs games here and there for that, with spells back in the VFL in between.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:58 pm 
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Happy with that side. Thought Rowe a bit unlucky playing forward last week. May have been a good match up for Tippett or Pyke.

My line up

B: Simpson Jamison White
HB: Walker Henderson Tuohy

C: Yarran Gibbs Lucas Robinson
Foll: Kruezer Judd Curnow

HF: Armfield Bootsma
F: Betts Waite Casboult

Int: Scotland Cachia McLean (Garlett)

Defence is nice and settled and balanced. Like to see Yarran work back and assist and use his run and carry. He along with Walker, Tuohy & Simpson give us some good kicking from down back.

Two key forwards will play deep. CHF not needed but Bootsma may surprise as a lead up option. Reads the ball very well and will get out bodied down back. Being able to run will help him. Other option to swap him for White or Hendo.

Curnow on Hanneberry for me. Kennedy, Jack & OKeefe need to be watched. Let Cachia win some ball. McLean should do well.

Garlett's turn for sub. Been quiet last weeks and will add something off bench. Scotland other option for me.

Good side, lots of rotations. Gibbs BOG


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:08 pm 
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any news on carrots?



As earlier advised - In the Magoos

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:44 pm 
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still no carazzo :(


Always a big doubt about him playing in the ones first up, not surprised.

McInnes in ahead of White would be utopia, but maybe MC thinks Andy needs one more NB game before the big stuff.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:50 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Not a fan.

Too many talls.


How so?

White for Rowe, former is shorter and more mobile/versatile.

This team pushed the Hawks hard last week, looks even better balanced at smaller SCG this week.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:58 pm 
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At least Armfield is still at CHB
armfield is at CHB cos ......

you dont switch back to the middle till u get to CHF.. its their reminder...to play the wings/ flanks

its not a joke by whoever names the teams...

its a MM thing...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:32 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Not a fan.

Too many talls.


How so?

White for Rowe, former is shorter and more mobile/versatile.

This team pushed the Hawks hard last week, looks even better balanced at smaller SCG this week.


Remember one of the critical reasons we won at the SCG last time was the late changes.

We bought in Hampson for o'hAilpin admittedly (who played a very good game just the same). They took out Grundy for the extra ruck in Pyke.

I reckon you always play the one less tall than normal at the SCG. What did Sydney in last week was giving Tippett far too much space in the forward 50 to run into. Killed the space for their mids who like to drift forward and play hit up targets 50-40m out. Will be even worse on the smaller ground.

Then practically, what roles do they have? Jamison goes to Tippett, Henderson to White/Pyke. Mitch Morton = White? What role does Bootsma have?

We're down a midfield rotation in Murphy also, against the best midfield rotation side in the comp. Where do we make that up from? Betts? Gibbs? If White comes in, Bootsma serves little purpose, and would have been better aided by picking Bell, or even to a lesser extent Davies.

Waite, Kreuzer/Casboult and possibly White looks far too tall a forward line for the SCG.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 pm 
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rubbish

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:04 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Not a fan.

Too many talls.


How so?

White for Rowe, former is shorter and more mobile/versatile.

This team pushed the Hawks hard last week, looks even better balanced at smaller SCG this week.


Remember one of the critical reasons we won at the SCG last time was the late changes.

We bought in Hampson for o'hAilpin admittedly (who played a very good game just the same). They took out Grundy for the extra ruck in Pyke.

I reckon you always play the one less tall than normal at the SCG. What did Sydney in last week was giving Tippett far too much space in the forward 50 to run into. Killed the space for their mids who like to drift forward and play hit up targets 50-40m out. Will be even worse on the smaller ground.

Then practically, what roles do they have? Jamison goes to Tippett, Henderson to White/Pyke. Mitch Morton = White? What role does Bootsma have?

We're down a midfield rotation in Murphy also, against the best midfield rotation side in the comp. Where do we make that up from? Betts? Gibbs? If White comes in, Bootsma serves little purpose, and would have been better aided by picking Bell, or even to a lesser extent Davies.

Waite, Kreuzer/Casboult and possibly White looks far too tall a forward line for the SCG.



Totally agree.

As long as we win the midfield and have plenty of run over 120 mins we could not worry too much covering Moreton with a tall. A good running player could close him down especially when we cut supply.,,,Yuohy, Walker types...and run off him.

2 talls forward Levi and Waite and at times put 3 forward to stretch them....White oforward so what about Bootsma????? Probably could play that role.

We have enough talls.
Can't rotate Bootsma through midfield

Psych says lead up HF.
Dunno about that. Sounds risky.

One too many tall. Glad Rowe's gone because he is too slow for AFL imo.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:11 am 
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MM has coached against Sydney at the SCG a fair bit. And won.

You need a loose man across the half back line for the quick kick out of the centre that almost reaches the full forward line.
Last week, Scotland did well as the loose man that went to Franklin but they just had too much tall talent for us. Maybe Bootsma can do it this week. He must be there for a reason.
The SCG is a different kettle of fish to every other ground. The CHF has to be mobile and basically play midfield running through the 50 metre arc and allow the FF to control the entire forward half. That's why Goodes is so good there because he just chases the footy. We have never worked this out because in our day we always relied on Kernahan at CHF or Kouta and they were redundant. Then we had Fev at FF but kept the illusion of a CHF.

We need Waite to play the mobile role and let Levi sit closer to goal leading directly at the centre square at the centre clearances because a quick kick will land about thirty to forty metres out. If he can crash the pack that will inevitably form there, he could have a few marks early. Think Lockett. Think Hall. Think Capper.

The other thing about the SCG is that it is a midfielders' ground. If you have a tank and can carry the footy through the middle, it is just a short trip to the goals from there. Armfield, Yarran, Touhy, Walks, Gibbs Lucas and Scotland can all do it. Judd should be able to but his kicking lacks penetration. And if the FF is leading straight up the ground, they have someone to pas to as well as a space opening up behind him for the second forward or a Betts to drop in to.

BUT. I'm tipping Waite will lead to the pockets as usual and we will try and play a CHF and clog up the F50, negating the advantage we should have if we win the centre clearances.

I'm also tipping we will find their tackling pressure a problem but I think we will win if we can run the footy from outside the packs.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:46 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Nice day today in Sydney...not a good Sydney day but it was 17 degrees for 3-4 hours on the coast.

Unfortunately the trough has settled off shore and will bring a few showers here and there in the arvo. Not rain, but light showers...could get slippery but ground will be firm.

Saturday and Sunday will be the same as last week...wet...wtter than Friday which is good, but if you're here and planning a day at the zoo....don't.


It's been absolutely bucketing down here in Sydney since 6am, and has rained heavily every day for the past fortnight. Traditional SCG slog coming up...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:16 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
MM has coached against Sydney at the SCG a fair bit. And won.



I reckon he has coached a fair bit against Sydney at ANZ stadium and won. I can't be bothered checking what his record is like at the SCG.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:31 am 
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Just landed in Sydney. Very grey, very drizzley. Bell a late in maybe as it looks like a wet one although Bondi et al will have a better handle on the weather.

Where's the pre-match gathering....?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:35 am 
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..have no problem with Bootsma in.. ..he's a player to fast track in my opinion, and games like this are worth 5 for development.. ..MM will play the kids, and not just in 'easy' games either.. ..he will give them proper responsibility.. ..we all agreed that we prefer this style.. ..it's longterm gain, no point having a sook when the theory is put into practice..

..Carrots and McInnes still need the run, happy for them both to get proper ressies game-time and not be rushed in.. ..McInnes is only recently returned, he may look ready in the ressie grade, but that's a big step down from the real deal.. ..ease him in, players need time after ACLs.. ..and Carrots hasn't played since round 5, i'd give him 2-3 weeks in the ressies..

..very glad we're sticking with the Krooz/Bolt combo.. ....i think this is by far our best combo, and like all good combo's needs time to really get it's groove on, but their physicality has finals footy written all over it, and Bolt is another that needs games and miles under his belt, asap..

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:55 am 
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I think it's great that guys like Bootsma keep getting games. On form probably lucky but he is the future and will gain great benefit from playing in games such as this.

I just hope he plays further up the ground. IMO his future is more of a link type player. I have seen him play some time up forward and has impressed me.

The issues is he isn't strong enough to be isolated one one one. He needs to be mobile and use his smarts. Wing/HF are his spots for me.

White for Rowe is the correct decision. Mobility and run so important. White is underrated, can play taller yet can run and carry.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:06 am 
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I can see a value in Bootsma's inclusion beyond the accumulation of experience - in the old-school mud bath of the SCG teams are likely to resort to a long-kicking game, and Josh has got a far boot on him. Also seems to have pretty good hands, so should be able to control the slippery ball.

Tall marking players are going to have little value tonight. Dropping Rowe was a no-brainer.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:29 am 
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With all this shit going on with the scum, I really have no interest in our game anymore.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:34 am 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
With all this shit going on with the scum, I really have no interest in our game anymore.


So why post?

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