It's a dream only because we are not prepared to offer up someone of real value. Think Kreuzer or maybe even Gibbs and take it from there.

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So GWS have officially finished on the bottom have they?

Yeah, as if we would plan things the same if they didn't.

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my thoughts,
1. tall forward
2. tall defender
3. mid or two
we have a few quality players coming through in the next year to two, these are
menzel, buckley, graham and andy mac.
GWS are going to want kreuzer or gibbs etc forget it and lets concentrate on fringe players ala swans.
trade warnock/hampson for taylor adams
target gumbleton, ben griffiths, shane kersten or josh walker
target mitch brown, tayte pears or steve may
target kieran harper, nick haynes or pat karnezis
look at dale thomas, see what he is after, costs us nothing, maybe no more than 550k.
plenty of options out there.
thanks to,
collins, davies, o'keeffe, dale, joseph and ellard.
next year critical year for rowe, mccarthy, mitchell, watson, duigan and white, boys need to step up, although mitchell should get a few games this year, maybe send casboult to CHB, needs to work on he's kicking or may find himself on the list also.
can curnow, cachia, bell, robinson and mclean all play in the same team??? prob not....do we look at trading one????
if we could land say,
gumbleton, mitch brown, taylor adams, thomas and kieran harper, reckon our list improves by 15/20%, then add in menzel, buckley, graham and andy mac and our list improves again......
use our first pick to pick the best available as always, and we can set ourselves for a tilt at the cup.
just my thoughts..

I like the targets.

Like Bumbers The swans can't keep all their talls happy.
Yesterdays team had LRT, Reid, Mumford and one other all missing.
Word is Reid goes CHB, Tippett and Goodes KPFs. Pike Mumford as ruck combo.
They have 4-5 talls we should be into. Bumbers have 3 talls to target.
Bell chambers is pretty handy forward which means if we got him we could afford to off load both Hammer and Warnock.

We have a great opportunity to bolster the list end of season.
I hope our recruiters are right into all targets through their managers as we speak.

Hawks will get GWS pick 1 for Buddy unless Buddy breaks down in the next 12 weeks. Wg
Ho knows what's going on with Buddy.

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Bondi, Hawks will get a first round pick, but not in the top 10 for Buddy, that magic formula the AFL uses works a treat .... Not.

Hawks may want to do a deal.
Buddy may want hawks to receive pick 1 plus some.
Nothing is black n white in the AFL.

I understand you are referring to the compensation framework the AFL has.
Probably 2 first round picks.

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Don't think the AFL will sanction a deal where Hawthorn give GWS a "Lachlan Veale" type player in exchange for GWS's pick 1.

And I don't think GWS will be stupid enough to do it, if Buddy wants to got to GWS he goes under free agency system and he can't dictate that GWS provide Hawthorn with a "sweetener" deal on top of the AFL compensation formula.

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..Buddy may be happy to go to GWS for the $$, but he may want them to trade with Hawks instead of going to gws thru F.A..

..if he goes via F.A, will only be 1 compo pick, mostly likely end of 1st round..

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Really, GWS is going to give him 7-8 million dollars more than any other club can afford and Buddy is going to say you need to trade with my old club.
I don't think so.

..ppl can be strange creatures.. ..not saying this is how Buddy will feel.. .... ..but it's not too much of a stretch to think he runs to GWS for the money, but loyalty for Hawthorn means there's a guilt factor that he needs to address.. ..trying to get something meaningful heading back to hawthorn would go a long way to making Buddy feel more comfortable with chasing the $$..

..lookit Judd, he would feel better about his move back home with the deal made between blues and eagles, he wanted this rather than forcing the issue via pre-season draft.. ..even cats got something back for losing Gazza..

..pick 20 as compo in return for Buddy is loose change..

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Hawthorn only need to match the GWS side of the deal, not the AFL bonus to force a trade.

I reckon they'll get pick 10 for him, after attempts to strike a package deal for pick 1 falls over.

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So if they are 7-8 million short and the AFL part of it is 4 million then Hawthorn only have to come up with an extra 3 million.

They won't do it, they are a well run club.

hawks nor any club should get any compo picks for losing free agents.

every other club pays a price for a deal that has nothing to do with them.

hawks have had 4 years to sign buddy.

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The AFL could not possible offer Hawthorn or any other club a priority pick for losing a free agent. I hate to think it might be us sometime but that is the way it needs to be, especially after Ablett, Goddard and even Scully compensations. It's tough but that is what the new agreement was agreed too by all. Now lets go and get some value...

Heard a strong rumour that Buddy is being poached by the NRL, not GWS as what we're lead to believe.

We've been into players from other clubs when Mick walked through the door - his hands were tied during preseason as many of our players were contractually bound. Watch the cleanout at years' end and hopefully we land a few likely types that haven't had the opportunity at other clubs.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

If Buddy wants to go, what's the harm in saying they could theoretically match the offer? Similiar to clubs raising the bidding in the father/son stakes for Joe Daniher, knowing full well Essendon* would take him with their first round pick regardless. (Still remarkable that no other club did the same with Viney and Melbourne).

All that Hawthorn saying that they will match 3 million of a 7-8 million offer means is that they will likely end up with pick 10 from GWS rather than the mooted pick 20 AFL compensation. Buddy doesn't strike me as the sort of player who'd give up 4 million to stay.

Or GWS take him in the PSD, and miss out on another player entering the PSD, as well as having to wait an extra 2 months to start parading him around Sydney in a GWS jumper.

The potential money made at the Xmas period in merchandise and memberships at the holiday end of year would be enough for GWS to make the trade happen IMO.

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I'd trade Kreuzer to get Boyd, and I might even throw in something extra. As for Gibbs, it would depend on the way he and we perform for the rest of the season. As for "fringe players", the difference between the way we would do it (and have done it) and the way the Swans do it is that we are coming at it from a different place and angle. We need more 'stars' just as much as we simply need someone to 'show up'.

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pafloyul,
what do you mean different place and angle?? not being smart either mate.
when i say fringe players, i mean players who should be playing, but just can't get a game.
kieran harper is a good example, quality player, for some reason just can't get a game, would he add class in our midfield??, my answer is yes,
so why not chase him.
scott gumbleton would NO DOUBT line up in our forward line, daniher has taken he's spot and we should pounce.
dale thomas for no picks, hell yeah.
these are the types i am talking about, not 50/50 types.
like i said, i am not sure about bell, cachia, mclean, robinson and curnow all playing in the same team, then add ellard, way to slow.
why chase stars that will cost us $$$ and our first draft pick.
if we could land, gumby, harper and thomas and keep our first pick, reckon its a win.
then add, aish/billings/gardiner/kelly or lennon to our list......
menzel, buckley, graham and mcInnes add further class.
reckon there will be big changes at seasons end....
just my thoughts

really cant fault your thinking..... very well analysed