Fair enough Surrey.. Nothing cures frustration better than Wins. Hopefully the second half of the season will bring better results

That's all fine and dandy, Surrey, but what you call a 'bandwagon' might just be a fans way of saying that it's about time that people at the club were held accountable for our continued lack of success.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

The club started playing finals for the past 3 years after near extinction.
We have 1 bad year because of "injuries", "coaching" or whatever you might call it and now it's the club's administration fault, even though they made changes?
Talk about long straw just to bring up some personal vendeta.

Um, so you believe all that about our list because the club... tells you.

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No because I know our list is good enough and the players we'll come good once they believe and get over their mental demons as well. I believe in what we put together and if we could fix up our home ground situation, I would believe even more both on and off field. I'm that type of person though - positive.

It will take more than getting rid of 'mental demons' to make some of our players perform to the required standard. We need Victor Frankenstein at the club just as much as we need Father Merrin.

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No, we believe in results and win loss ratios that take us into the finals like Ratten did even though he was a suburban, lolly eating, and pine hugging under achieving coach.

The same list with a better coach means break even in prelim.
Next year the bar is raised to another level, easy as that.
If we wanted to plod for another year don’t over extend and keep the same faces then when you can you make adjustments.

DU we haven’t beaten anyone of substance to have gained respect.
Then even if we do we need to do it consistently and play with cahones.

I think most people believe MM is a better coach than Ratts, but the reason we have him, and he cost so much is because we have a committee that consistently makes bad decisions. I can't believe people are claiming injuries were irrelevant to our performance in 2012. I think we should compare with 2011 when we had a reasonable injury run, but in the WCE final which we lost by 3 pts, Big K, Waite, Hammo, Gibbs and others were out.

So MM, having cost us huge dough, needs to do much better than Ratts. And he needs to start this year. Ross Lyon (no flag so of no interest to the Blues hierarchy), got an inferior Freeo list to the second week of the finals in his first year. If we finish outside the 8, it will be an ordinary year. It won't mean MM is only as good as Ratts, but it may mean that he is not as good as 6 other coaches who we passed over by appointing and sticking with Ratts, and it may mean he needs quite a while to build a team. We don't have quite a while. We've used all the high draft picks we are going to get in the near future and our best player is waning and our only effective tall forward is injury prone and over 30.

Maybe, no matter how good MM is, we don't have the list. MM has made us tougher, but we don't have strong leadership and that has been a problem for a decade. We have one established tall forward, and we don't have a bloods culture.

PS I'd put Longmire and Roos on that list of coaches who can get their teams to overperform.

Agreed, but theres no denying we've certainly come much closer to doing so this year than last. There has definately been improvement.

There has been improvement cause we have more players to choose ... and a more mature and generally better list this year. The quality of coaching has been appalling ... The Essendon* and StKilda matches were classic examples of bad coaching and lost opportunity ... not to mention team selection.

If you really want to compare you need to look at season 2011 ... and its pretty obvious we have gone backwards.

We live in Hope ... come on Carlton ... come on MM ... lift your game.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

You have to accept that the bloke who carried the team in that year, and clear favourite to win the Brownlow, Christopher Judd, is getting older and will not be the same player he was in 2011...ever.

...and I agree.......everybody lift your game.

I want to see more progress and improvement in the next 10 weeks and failure to reach the 8 is a fail in my books!

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Well then direct your anger at recruiting and development since 2007.
If Malthouse has to tinker with side a bit more than he thought and hoped for, point the finger at Hughes/Ratten

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

We were told by the coach...who has since been sacked cos he was shit. Obviously not shit enough to bamboozle some here that we were ready to challenge with a decent list

We lacked in what area?

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So it had nothing to do with the coaches or the players that year ... It was purely Chris Judd who was the difference ...

Sorry ... that just doesn't make sense.

Also ... nothing I have seen this year convinces me that MM is a great Tactician ... In Fact .. quite the opposite.
Failure to make tactical moves at critical times ... the marvelous "bomb into the forward line no matter what!" tactic ... etc etc ...

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

IMO the Respect is coming.

Personally I believe it's more about development and recruiting more than anything.

The drafting has been "okay" and in most cases you could argue a case why certain decisions were made.

I do have issue with the picks given away for players such as Warnock & McLean and although we also got Henderson & Lucas for Fev it really was a fluke and if we had our way we could of easily had Bradshaw and Rischitelli.

The key now is development. A number of players on our list haven't improved to anywhere near the level they should. Some permanant damage has been done. Hopefully that is now all changing and I believe it is.

I also do not believe we are rebuilding but there are several holes in our game style, culture and list that are being addressed.

Some improved development, some smart recruiting and/or trades at the end of the year and we could be right up the top again.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

The current coach also commented that the list is good enough to challenge.

Are we bamboolzed to believe him also or not?

Bamboolzed ...

Its early doors ... but people are starting to become bamboolzed by the master coach!

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

..new coach, new gameplan.. ..plenty to work on for him.. ..yet midway into his 1st season, we're 6-6.. ..even stevens.. ..considering plenty of experts reckon it takes at least half a season for everyone to get on the same page gameplan wise, i reckon we're doing well in that regard, and you can see it..

..also, we've narrowed our losing margin down to 11 points.. ..when was the last time we had such a low losses average..?.. ..he has tightened the team defense, something we've lacked and something crucial for real success.. ..he's turning over the list to see how the players handle real game pressure, he's starting to instill some real standards, he's spreading the workload and making us play with team-work..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

lol.... one eliminational final before losing to port and gc...

started to play finals and then didnt....

and running juddy into the ground ......

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ill let u know after 3 seasons.. whch is roughly half of what ratts was gifted...

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