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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:51 pm 
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100 cameras at the footy.. all showing every movement of every player from every angle
everything that happens gets scrutinised.. all knee jerk...

get rid of the technology and the million cameras .. and the overumpired game and get back to what footy used to be .

each time someone does something its picked up on disected and spoken about..scrutinised.. flipped over.. discussed .. sent to the rules commision.. or hits the papers and of course all of this has a flow on effect at the detriment to he club.

murph ad carlton not being defensive enough gets highighted spoken about and he has to put himself under the pump/
something happens in a single game suddenly a guy putting his head over the ball is free kicked.. or the ball is a free kick if its icked 50 meters and over the line as deliberate ...
how many rules does this sport have???
how many decisions must go to the camera replay??....
footy is becoming a shit sport!!!


2 get added or changed every week (or so it seems)

Loved this Steve Carell bit from "Before The Game" .... Points 1 and 2 are so true it isn't funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... vWDO8SfMBM

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:55 pm 
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Would the media be so quick to jump to, say Robbo`s defence if he had done that to Hodge?


Had it been Waite on Hodge or any other player it would have been termed as clumsy and we would have been waiting on the MRP with bated breath. It would have been oh so different.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:59 pm 
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I don't think so Vet. I made this point earlier and now someone who actually knows something about the game has said the same thing.

And former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes.
"He had his head hanging out (when) you need to get more side-on, exactly what Hodge did," Ricciuto said.


My point is that the next time it happens I want Murphy to be the one causing the damage.


Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.


Former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes

and Hird can’t wait for the truth to come out.

FMD you guys freak me out some times.

Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.
He knew the ascendency needed to be addressed and as a good leader took the initiative.
He didn’t even try and pick up the ball, quite evident in his body position.
A good player knows when what to do and when to do it, that’s why he is a captain and a leader of a top four side.


Hodge was in fact the first to make contact with the ball. On the basis of the ball being your primary objective, technically it was Murphy who made contact with Hodge, your argument implies that Murphy somehow had a right of way in the contest compelling Hodge to alter his effort to reach the ball first, or that Hodge was compelled to expose his own face to same level of risk as Murphy so as to remove any doubt regarding his intent. I think the reality is that Hodge and Murphy displayed the same level of courage, and that Murphy either through bad luck or technique just wasn't as well prepared for the contact.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:14 pm 
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Denim wrote:
redback wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The Vet wrote:


I don't think so Vet. I made this point earlier and now someone who actually knows something about the game has said the same thing.

And former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes.
"He had his head hanging out (when) you need to get more side-on, exactly what Hodge did," Ricciuto said.


My point is that the next time it happens I want Murphy to be the one causing the damage.


Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.


Former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes

and Hird can’t wait for the truth to come out.

FMD you guys freak me out some times.

Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.
He knew the ascendency needed to be addressed and as a good leader took the initiative.
He didn’t even try and pick up the ball, quite evident in his body position.
A good player knows when what to do and when to do it, that’s why he is a captain and a leader of a top four side.


Hodge was in fact the first to make contact with the ball. On the basis of the ball being your primary objective, technically it was Murphy who made contact with Hodge, your argument implies that Murphy somehow had a right of way in the contest compelling Hodge to alter his effort to reach the ball first, or that Hodge was compelled to expose his own face to same level of risk as Murphy so as to remove any doubt regarding his intent. Perhaps the reality is that Hodge and Murphy had the same level of courage, but that Murphy either through bad luck or technique just wasn't as well prepared for the contact.


If you go into a contest and you choose to bump you have to accept the consequences if injury to the head is the result. The AFL is determined to eradicate head injuries.

Murphy was leading with his hands for the ball whereas Hodge was leading with the bump his hands were no on the ball. The ball bubbled out after the collision to Marc's head

These laws were not around when Riccuito played so his claim about Murphys technique is irrelevant with regards to the consequences at the tribunal but relevant to protecting yourself against a negligent act.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Denim wrote:
redback wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The Vet wrote:


I don't think so Vet. I made this point earlier and now someone who actually knows something about the game has said the same thing.

And former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes.
"He had his head hanging out (when) you need to get more side-on, exactly what Hodge did," Ricciuto said.


My point is that the next time it happens I want Murphy to be the one causing the damage.


Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.


Former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes

and Hird can’t wait for the truth to come out.

FMD you guys freak me out some times.

Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.
He knew the ascendency needed to be addressed and as a good leader took the initiative.
He didn’t even try and pick up the ball, quite evident in his body position.
A good player knows when what to do and when to do it, that’s why he is a captain and a leader of a top four side.


Hodge was in fact the first to make contact with the ball. On the basis of the ball being your primary objective, technically it was Murphy who made contact with Hodge, your argument implies that Murphy somehow had a right of way in the contest compelling Hodge to alter his effort to reach the ball first, or that Hodge was compelled to expose his own face to same level of risk as Murphy so as to remove any doubt regarding his intent. Perhaps the reality is that Hodge and Murphy had the same level of courage, but that Murphy either through bad luck or technique just wasn't as well prepared for the contact.


If you go into a contest and you choose to bump you have to accept the consequences if injury to the head is the result. The AFL is determined to eradicate head injuries.

Murphy was leading with his hands for the ball whereas Hodge was leading with the bump his hands were no on the ball. The ball bubbled out after the collision to Marc's head

These laws were not around when Riccuito played so his claim about Murphys technique is irrelevant with regards to the consequences at the tribunal but relevant to protecting yourself against a negligent act.


Hodge made contact with the Ball before Murphy made contact with Hodge


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:21 pm 
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Don't worry Denim you will of course be relieved to know that Hodge is going to get (part) of what's coming to him for his gutless snipe on Henderson. :wink:


As a true and good Carlton man you will of course hope that Hodge gets a week or so for that, won't you Denim.

Because you are a good and true Carlton man, aren't you Denim? :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:03 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Don't worry Denim you will of course be relieved to know that Hodge is going to get (part) of what's coming to him for his gutless snipe on Henderson. :wink:


As a true and good Carlton man you will of course hope that Hodge gets a week or so for that, won't you Denim.

Because you are a good and true Carlton man, aren't you Denim? :wink:


Agro, my comment is based on a specific incident being discussed, I wasn't aware that I had to take a parochial view to affirm my allegiance, nor was I aware that your the parochialism officer. Tell you what until I get the green light from Admin to shift my responses onto a personal nature, as you appear to prefer (without objection on my part mind you :wink: ), ill stick with the posting rules. until then, I've made a comment based on a discussion topic, your neither compelled to agree or disagree, but you are compelled to cut the personal attacks :smoking:

As for the second incident, precedent suggests that he ll be rubbed out. :cool:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:04 am 
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Murphy incident was incidental contact just bad luck

Hendo incident deserves a week or two


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:08 am 
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This is the Carlton -v- Hawthorn thread, as I understand the the Hodge/Henderson incident occurred in this game and the context is relevant.

If you consider my post as an attack then I offer this humble public apology to you as an esteemed and great Carlton man that you are.

If there was a salute emoticon I would use it now, you are nothing but a top bloke.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:17 am 
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AGRO wrote:
This is the Carlton -v- Hawthorn thread, as I understand the the Hodge/Henderson incident occurred in this game and the context is relevant.

If you consider my post as an attack then I offer this humble public apology to you as an esteemed and great Carlton man that you are.

If there was a salute emoticon I would use it now, you are nothing but a top bloke.


As are you, all of the above.

As for the 2nd incident ive posted my opinion. is there anything more you would like me to add?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:21 am 
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Denim wrote:
AGRO wrote:
This is the Carlton -v- Hawthorn thread, as I understand the the Hodge/Henderson incident occurred in this game and the context is relevant.

If you consider my post as an attack then I offer this humble public apology to you as an esteemed and great Carlton man that you are.

If there was a salute emoticon I would use it now, you are nothing but a top bloke.


As are you, all of the above.

As for the 2nd incident ive posted my opinion. is there anything more you would like me to add?




Yes. Without referring to the Blueseum, what number did Bruce Doull wear before 11?.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:28 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Denim wrote:
AGRO wrote:
This is the Carlton -v- Hawthorn thread, as I understand the the Hodge/Henderson incident occurred in this game and the context is relevant.

If you consider my post as an attack then I offer this humble public apology to you as an esteemed and great Carlton man that you are.

If there was a salute emoticon I would use it now, you are nothing but a top bloke.


As are you, all of the above.

As for the 2nd incident ive posted my opinion. is there anything more you would like me to add?




Yes. Without referring to the Blueseum, what number did Bruce Doull wear before 11?.

:wink:


666 :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:40 am 
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footbal has become so [REDACTED] up that the game has changed not only from year to year.. but from early season to mid season and from 1st quarter to last quarter.

WTF????

how do they think the game will flourish if things keep changing???

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:32 am 
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footbal has become so !@#$%& up that the game has changed not only from year to year.. but from early season to mid season and from 1st quarter to last quarter.

WTF????

how do they think the game will flourish if things keep changing???


..the mob is easily pleased..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:30 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Denim wrote:
redback wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The Vet wrote:


I don't think so Vet. I made this point earlier and now someone who actually knows something about the game has said the same thing.

And former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes.
"He had his head hanging out (when) you need to get more side-on, exactly what Hodge did," Ricciuto said.


My point is that the next time it happens I want Murphy to be the one causing the damage.


Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.


Former Adelaide strongman Mark Ricciuto concurred, even questioning Murphy's "bad technique" in physical clashes

and Hird can’t wait for the truth to come out.

FMD you guys freak me out some times.

Hodges intent was to injure pure and simple.
He knew the ascendency needed to be addressed and as a good leader took the initiative.
He didn’t even try and pick up the ball, quite evident in his body position.
A good player knows when what to do and when to do it, that’s why he is a captain and a leader of a top four side.


Hodge was in fact the first to make contact with the ball. On the basis of the ball being your primary objective, technically it was Murphy who made contact with Hodge, your argument implies that Murphy somehow had a right of way in the contest compelling Hodge to alter his effort to reach the ball first, or that Hodge was compelled to expose his own face to same level of risk as Murphy so as to remove any doubt regarding his intent. Perhaps the reality is that Hodge and Murphy had the same level of courage, but that Murphy either through bad luck or technique just wasn't as well prepared for the contact.


If you go into a contest and you choose to bump you have to accept the consequences if injury to the head is the result. The AFL is determined to eradicate head injuries.

Murphy was leading with his hands for the ball whereas Hodge was leading with the bump his hands were no on the ball. The ball bubbled out after the collision to Marc's head

These laws were not around when Riccuito played so his claim about Murphys technique is irrelevant with regards to the consequences at the tribunal but relevant to protecting yourself against a negligent act.



Hodge is and has always been an enforcer and knows what state of the game is in and who needs attention. His intent was solely to cause forceful body contact and not to take possession of the ball as his body weight is going past the line of the ball and tightly compacted for impact.
His shoulder has made contact with the head and if the rules of the game are to be adhered too then he will be suspended regardless of who in the media supports him. What Ricciuto or Matthews thinks about the consequences matters not. It wasn’t a head clash or an act of bravery. If you want to impact in a clash you use your shoulder.
Did he mean to break his cheek bone? Probably not.
Did he want to injury one of our main distributers and captain? Definitely.
What annoys me again is that everybody who has played the game knows this yet they feel the need to preserve a bygone era that the rules committee are trying to extinguish for the future participation of the game.
I love a courageous act and a tough game as much as the next guy but don’t we have a responsibility to the future of the game and also society to rid the game of these ludicrous crude acts in the name of personal indulgence?
Are we being tough by sniping players that are defenceless?
Do we need players careers cut short from devastating leg injuries?
Do legends of the game need to live their post career with brain damage and a loss of value of life?
Don’t forget the lower leagues are a carbon copy of their heroes with less scrutiny.
I feel strongly about this subject as an ex team mate has for close to two decades been confined to a wheelchair because of a courageous act of an opponent.
If you don’t see the final consequences it’s hard to fathom the importance of protecting above the shoulders.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:19 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
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CK95 wrote:
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And why are we listening to interviews with miked up umpires.




That was a disgrace. They actually asked him if he thought Carlon were coming back into the game.

Just another thing that's shit about today's footy

WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????
I was at the came so didn't see that rubbish....only confirms what I was saying on the last page.
Thanks Bondi for backing it up....
Sorry so sound like a " conspiracy theorist " but there was something weird going on last night (and a few other games)
just saw the MM presser....he knew too.

Gerriatric.....we couldn't get into the game in the second half...really?... We opened with a goal, no possession from the hawks meant the umps couldn't blow the whistle....any contest and the whistle would go against us....simple.
Caz couldn't take a mark in the second half...have a look at how often he was shepherded out long before the ball got there....watching on telly doesn't REALLY show whets happening.
Two marks ..Walks and Garlett last quarter. ...punched arms and head missed ball...play on....yes, we didn't look like getting a goal in the second half....btw Garlett's was front on contact also...

As I said before....it was SUS from the first bounce....just seemed to get worse second half. Ump nearly twisted a testicle running in to get a review when it looked like a point would be awarded?..and the footage was soooo conclusive.

Wake up AFL.... Looks like the Morans are guiding the umps and not the Geesh


Hey Billy if only it was so.........the Morans were Carlton fans.



You should check footage of after the game of the 1987 grand final, when a young Mark and Jason Moran running around the oval with the boys. Their uncle was Leo Brookes( I think that's his name), the boys nearly get him locked up for theft.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:49 pm 
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Luke Hodge cleared contact Marc Murphy - Hodge had no realistic alternative way to contest the ball.

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Luke Hodge can accept a reprimand for rough conduct against Lachlan Henderson.

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Gee, comes as such a surprise. "Good tough stuff from Hodgey"

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