Great in theory until Kreuzer gets injured. Then we're flowered.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Gibbs for a top 5 pick is not a win.

When you consider (and yes, slightly different circumstances) what Ablett and Franklin have/will be worth on the market, that's a huge gain. In the post Croad/Hodge deal world of trading, how many current players have been traded for top 5 picks other than Judd?

I'm not necessarily advocating that such a deal occur, but if Bryce turned up tomorrow with his bags packed, that is far and away better than any real outcome that would occur.

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We have to attract class without costing picks...to play under MM and the great Carlton Football Club.

If we don't pull a rabbit or 2 or 3 out of the hat come years end we are stuffed post 2014.

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..you're missing my point.. ..i'm not saying he ought to get a pick 2 for instance, or that we ought to get 2 1st rounders for him.. ..what i'm saying, is Gibbs is a very, very good player.. ..he's proven quality, and he's durable.. ..we can use him in a variety of roles, and is by far our best versatile player..

..why trade that, for pick 4..?.. ..what will you get with pick 4 that will be better than gibbs..?..

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I think it's time to shift Henderson forward along side Waite and do to this I think the club should be chasing the service of eagles Mitch Brown.

He is a solid defender and can play on most types. This will release Henderson to play forward

I'm also warming to the idea of Dale Thomas. We need polish on the outside and he fits the bill and we won't have to give up anything for him.

This post makes my day....a dream come true....plus one more class midfielder from the GC and GWS lists would be bonza

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You'd keep one. No point trading both then bringing in a lesser version of what you just lost.

..i reckon hammer would be on less coin and may be more amenable to being depth.. ..and he can at least play a bit fwd, warnock is strictly a ruck., and would be wanting first spot so off he goes..

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we should at least have a decent crack at running waite, casboult and hampson together in the forward line. Having the movement of waite will make a huge difference to how hampson/casboult operate (waite providing direction on leading/spacing). All 3 players have the capacity to take a good strong contested mark.

waite & casboult -> equal first in the league in contested marks/game
hampson, for all his woes is equal 9th - imagine if he was playing well.

That means we could potentially have 3 players that would be top 10 in the league for contested marks through the forward line with several top shelf smalls rotating through (garlett, yarran, betts, armfield, menzel, buckley, murphy etc)

How about McInnes comes in and plays chb. That then allows Hendo foward.
I also believe Bootsma will play a role Kb shortly as we'll.

1 certainty (Cachia) and 1 hopeful (Bell) in that list.

I reckon Tayte Pears is better than Brown. Only gets a game when others are out injured. If Fletcher plays again next year you'd think he'd want away.

27 possessions tonight v Suns.

Remember a night a few years ago when he easily beat Fev (and he was only 19 IIRC).

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Watson's VFL game today stamped his papers with Mick watching on (probably just shaking his head every time Watson was caught behind his man or outmarked).

Now, St. Kilda desperately need a key back. Could we possibly palm him off to them for a 3rd rounder (even a 2nd considering Saints history of giving up early picks at the drop of a hat - first rounder for Tom Lee and another for Hickey :S ) We need to do something with Watson whilst he still has some sort of value. In simple terms, we must admit defeat and cut our losses.

I agree in some respects about potentially falling off the cliff post-2014 with our ageing midfield & Waite. However, seeing Menzel, Temay, Bell, Buckley, Graham, Luke Mitchell and Andy Mac in the VFL did give a glimpse of the future that didn't look half bad. Graham especially impressed me - 21 disposals & a goal on 60% game time in his first EVER VFL game. I think in years to come we will laugh at getting him @ pick 54.

This trade period at the end of the year is critical.

Here is my wish list:

Key defender (Frawley would be my dream pick) to release Lachie forward (Back 6 of Jamo, Frawley, Tuohy, McInnes, Bootsma & White/Laidler)

Daisy - Mick moulded him into a quality player and could be the classy finisher we need to help with I50 delivery and with our run and linking.

Delist - Davies, Joseph, Collins & Duigan

Trade - a ruck. Warnock would probably get us a better return, however, I think keeping Warnock would be better for us than keeping Hammer. Put both on table and weigh up offers (with Leuenberger about to sign with the Lions, GWS want an experienced ruck and considering all their picks are high we might be able to get a steal). Footy Classified mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the Pies wants Leuenberger, so maybe they would be interested in Warnock or Hampson.

Recruit - kids who can kick and put their head over the ball. Rogers seems to have had an ok draft with Menzel, Temay, Graham & Cachia. Hopefully he & Luke Williams can find some other quality kids.

This is pretty sensible IMO.
Firstly, you look at the rucks floating around and there are plenty who can hold up an end if needs be. We have a glut of rucks, noneof which is super good but all of which can do it if necessary. Unfortunately, one of them cost us a 31 Pick.

Secondly, trading for picks gives us access to kids.

Free agency has changed the landscape. Goddard was the first big signng but there will be plenty more and we wll one day be on the losing end but all is not doom and gloom. Get one or two free agents, we keep our picks. Lose a free agent and we get a pick. It should be a win-win. Geelong certainly hasn't suffered from the Ablett deal which was virtual free agency. Melbourne? Well that isn't the AFL's fault.
Daisy is an option to fit in the aging midfield but we need another KPP. Doesn't matter which end becausde we can use Hendo at either end.
Bell will come on and Cachis is showing promise.

This year we should delist anybody who has been fit all year and hasn't played multiple games with the exception of development players like Buckley and the other draftees from last year. Mitchell still is developing. Keep him. McCarthy seems to be a lost cause. Watson seems to have gone backwards or isn't in MM's calculations. Davies I like but he is one dimensional. O'Keefe will never get on the park. Duigan and Laidler don't seem to be in MM's plans. I like Hampson but would be OK with him going. I am not a fan of Warnock so that goes without saying.

Trade? I believe everybody should be on the table if the deal is right for us. That includes Gibbs, Hendo, Casboult, Eddie, Yarran. EVERYBODY. But we have to drive it and it has to happen. None of your offering up someone for trade and it not coming off so next year they just leave because they are unwanted.

We are only two or three players short of being in the mix. One key back, one class midfielder and one tall forward. It's possible we have the forward and the midfielder on the list already in Casboult, Mitchell and Touhy, Bell, Menzel, Cachia but the key back is the problem. We are one tall short down there and I don't think Bootsma or McKinness or White or Laidler is tall enough. It would be great if McCarthy could get up but if there is such a thing as injury prone, he and O'Keefe are it.

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The only players we should trade out are those who are AFL standard but not getting a go. Or those that want to go home.

That leaves: the ruck men, Laidler and any WA players who want out.

We are not that far off it. Trade a couple of these for young players or draft picks and we should be ok with Menzel, Bucks and hopefully one or two others kicking on.

with the bye upon us, time to have a look at the list as it stands now - things of course can change over the next 3 months


C2013 Edward CURNOW - delist
C2013 Jaryd CACHIA - re-rookie 2014
C2013 Andrew COLLINS - delist
C2013 Brock McLEAN - re-sign 2014
C2013 Kane LUCAS - trade for pick upgrade
C2013 Aaron JOSEPH - delist
C2013 Dylan BUCKLEY - re-sign 2015
C2013 David ELLARD - delist
C2013 Luke MITCHELL - re-sign 2014
C2013 Sam ROWE - re-sign 2014
C2013 Matthew WATSON - re-sign 2014
C2013 Patrick McCARTHY - delist
C2013 Simon WHITE - re-sign 2014
C2013 Lachlan HENDERSON - re-sign 2016
C2013 Eddie BETTS - re-sign 2015
C2013 Rhys O’KEEFFE - delist
C2013 Fraser DALE - re-rookie 2014
C2013 Marcus DAVIES - delist
C2013 Luke McINNES - re-sign 2015
C2013 Nick DUIGAN - delist
C2013 Heath SCOTLAND - delist
C2013 Joshua BOOTSMA - re-sign 2015
C2013 Jeremy LAIDLER - trade for pick upgrade
C2014 Sean HAMPSON
C2014 Nicholas GRAHAM
C2014 Chris JUDD
C2014 Bryce GIBBS
C2014 Marc MURPHY
C2014 Jarred WAITE
C2014 Levi CASBOULT
C2014 Michael JAMISON
C2014 Jeff GARLETT
C2014 Troy MENZEL
C2014 Tom TEMAY
C2014 Mitch ROBINSON
C2014 Andrew WALKER
C2014 Kade SIMPSON - trade for pick upgrade
C2014 Chris YARRAN
C2015 Andrew CARRAZZO
C2015 Matthew KREUZER
C2015 Robbie WARNOCK - trade for pick upgrade
C2015 Tom BELL
C2015 Dennis ARMFIELD
C2016 Zach TUOHY

Lucas isn't going anywhere. If MM was going to trade him, I don't reckon he's have played every game this year he's been available for. You've been reading too much of Synbad's poison.
I reckon Simmo would get us nothing as a trade. And he's a great servnt of the cluib and will play out his days here.
Warnock I agree with. Collinbgwood will be interested in him or HAmpson
Scotland will never be delisted. He'll go in his own time.
Curnow is currently one of our best run with players so I imagine he'll be around for a while.
The rest I pretty much agree with.

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Wow.... that's beyond absurd. Some rate the potential of draft picks too high.

Delist senior players: Davies, Duigan (trade), Joseph, Mitchell (Rookie List), Rowe, McCarthy (Rookie List)

On to senior list: Bell, Curnow, Free Agent (Daisy?), 3 draft picks hopefully with upgraded 2nd/3rd rounder

Rookie list: Cachia, Dale, Mitchell, McCarthy, 2 draft picks

This hasn't taken traditional trades into account as we don't know what the hell will happen with expansion team picks etc.

Well... so the moderate thinker ... disagrees and says Warnock or Hampson to Collingwood. ... others have "poison(ous )"thoughts.... .. cos

Rightyo!

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Better assessment, GWS might be interested in one of our ruckman also.