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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:25 pm 
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molsey wrote:
Id say that 95% of non-Carlton fans would agree with the free + 50. It was late, high, clumsy and he was happy to fall into his back and head.

Umpires were very frustrating - that non-holding the ball against Hodge (and a few others) was baffling for anyone who watches a few games a week (and perhaps people who just watch Carlton).

We need someone who can kick 50m+ in the seniors as a way to break the clog in our forward 50. This approach of the long bomb that this site has lamented all year just isn't working and will not work, particularly when our only contested markers in the F50 aren't good shots for goal (on the off chance they get it).


Matthew Watson can kick 50+

He was rubbish today... had 6 kicked on him

Yaz kicked one from outside 50... set shot



I'm fully aware, was more in jest.
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RandomGuy
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... 2ob5q.html

Apparently we are seeking clarification from the Umpires department regarding their interpretations of the game on Friday night.

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SurreyBlue
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RandomGuy wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-raise-doubtful-calls-with-umpires-20130615-2ob5q.html

Apparently we are seeking clarification from the Umpires department regarding their interpretations of the game on Friday night.


I'd be seeking more than clarification! Some of the non-decisions Friday night against us were disgraceful :idea: Certainly 2 different holding the ball decisions for starters.
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Stefchook
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Pros:

Simmo's form has been pretty solid for the last 6 weeks. But wow, what a performance. :thumbsup: Seemed to get even better, after Murphy left the ground.
Best game I've seen from Kreuzer for a year or 2.
Loved the game of Gibbs. Really liked the set up with Cachia and Judd and Kreuzer doing the absolute grunt work. And then Gibbs and others playing around them. Gibbs could win a brownlow medal as a midfielder, if we persevere with him there. Pity we ran out of numbers towards the end with Murphy and Robbo going down.
Good to see Eddy back kicking goals.
Some nice grabs from Levi and Rowe.
I thought Lucas was actually pretty good.
Liked the move of Walker going forward late in the game.
We were relatively accurate at Etihad.
We've been unlucky at stages this year, but nearly always seem to be up for the fight (the St Kilda game being the exception). Big improvement on recent years.

Cons:

I'm with Cazz. I thought our big forwards stopped making a contest in the 2nd half, and the ball started rebounding out of our forwardline with speed. Once that started happening, we were never going to win. Lake killed us again.
Losing another close game.
Losing to Hawthorn. Again.
Injuries.
Still (just) lost the battle of aggression against Hawthorn. Again.
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CK95
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AGRO
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The_Wookie wrote:
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Hey Wookie you are a legend but its Michael not Micheal.

Just a little personal hobby horse of mine.

:wink:

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Effes
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Fox Footy analyst David King said there had been up to 15 dubious incorrect disposal decisions throughout the match and that Carlton had been "incredibly unlucky'' to be on the wrong side of at least 10 of them.

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AGRO
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Fox Footy analyst David King said there had been up to 15 dubious incorrect disposal decisions throughout the match and that Carlton had been "incredibly unlucky'' to be on the wrong side of at least 10 of them.



And about 5 "incredibly unlucky" chopping of the arms in marking contests as well. :roll:

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It's pretty telling to me the number of neutrals to come forward and say we were screwed, not to mention the usual suspects in the media who rarely hide their contempt for us.

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Denim
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Hodge should get a few weeks.

1. He was looking at Murphy.
2. Look how his right arm/elbow lifted up after the contact, clearly going for a bump.


If Betts got 5 weeks for this:

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And Ziebell got 3 weeks for this:

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Hodge should be looking at least 6 weeks.


doubt that he will receive a penalty for Murphy incident.

According to MRP chairman, the finding on the Ziebel suspension was founded on 2 main points 1) contact having been made after the ball was disposed and 2) His action was deemed wreckless because, his feet having left the ground during contact, didn't allow him to alter the force of the contact.

In the Murphy incident, the ball is still in dispute at contact, both players have chance to win possession, possession isn't decided until after contact is made, and both players were exposed to risk all the way through that play.
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emtwenty
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Kingy hates us and lays the boots into us @ every possible opportunity - therefore him making this statement is pretty telling.

But, my contempt towards Kingy has increased as he stated on national TV Hodge's bump on Murph was courageous, brave and an act of leadership. No Kingy. It was dirty act that was meant to take Murph down and severely hurt him. Hodge could feel we were getting on top and he has a reputation for taking out critical opposition players to help 'level the playing field out' (read - make the opposition one man down). Sniper. His hit on Hendo is just another example of a dirty player being portrayed as a martyr by the media boys club.
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The_Wookie
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:19 am 
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AGRO wrote:


Hey Wookie you are a legend but its Michael not Micheal.

Just a little personal hobby horse of mine.

:wink:


Ah i get mixed up because my middle name is actually spelt the wrong way. My dad was an idiot.

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Blue Sombrero
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No way Hodge should be suspended or the Murphy hit. They both went in, one went down. It could have been either one.

The Hendo one is different.
He should go for that.

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Denim
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Just saw a replay of the Murphy incident, nothing in it, hodge had his eyes on the ball, was committed and went in as you would expect any good tough player to do.. Technically high contact should have resulted in a free but not intentional.. Just a good hard attack on the ball.



Incorrect. I disagree.

The replay only shows the last 2 seconds, not his intent 2-3 seconds before that.



Hodge broke his jaw and deliberately wanted to take Murphy out/get some high contact on him. Hodge charged with his shoulder high. That hit- just as much as the diabolical umpiring (the Simpson one for holding the ball in the 1st quarter took the case as the most terrible umpiring decision one could ever see) were the real reasons for Hawthorn's "victory". Hodge - plus his hit on Henderson - should get a minimum sentence of 5 weeks....but we both know he won't. I predict him getting off scot free.



Contrast Dangerfield's attack on Murphy last year - he went for the body - Dangerfield's body was stronger- they both initiated contact. No problems with that at all.





Also - Hawthorn is a short kicking team. To get out of trouble they kick 8-10 metres A LOT. The umpire always blows his whistle and considers it as a mark. They do it a lot near their forward line. Have the knowledge- umpires- to call play on. It is endorsing a form of cheating by allowing 10 metre marks. The minimum distance is 15 metres just in case they don't know.


Footy is just a bit too depressing for me right now, gonna give it a break for a while. Still, could be worse. I could be a soccer supporter where nearly every match is decided by penalty goals and the referee's whim.


at least the soccer is better than the Cycling where the winner is usually decided by the prescription :wink:
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windows
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:05 am 
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Probably been covered somewhere but I can't find it......


How did Roughead get all on his own in the 3/4 30m from goal after we had had heaps of time to cover?

Did Hendo pick a bad time to sub? Was Roughead playing ruck, drifted forward and wasn't covered? Was there a screen off the ball?????
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windows
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:08 am 
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Just as an aside: what other sport has a set up that makes the outcome of a game regularly dependent on injuries - not because of WHO is injured, but for the inability to field a full side?

Simple solution is add another sub.
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teknodeejay
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Not enough being said about Henderson kicking directly to the opposition on 3 occassions resulting in 2.1 to Hawthorns score.

Plus the game winner for Essendon* last week.

As I see it, Hendersons turnovers have now lost two games. Which is a shame because he does so many other good things.
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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:15 am 
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windows wrote:
Just as an aside: what other sport has a set up that makes the outcome of a game regularly dependent on injuries - not because of WHO is injured, but for the inability to field a full side?

Simple solution is add another sub.


I agree, its happened to Gold Coast 2 out of the last 3 weeks as well.

If a side gets 2 injured you can almost predict the result, unless the sides are really mis-matched.
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