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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:37 am 
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Simpson been a good soldier over the years and contracted next year but shouldn't be guaranteed a game - wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted a trade


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:39 am 
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Rexy wrote:
should be able to get some good return for Yarran, Lucas and Warnock

think Scotland can be moved on after this year


What we need is a coach and development staff who can get Yarran playing to his potential.

As I said in another thread, a number of recruiting scouts believe Yarran could be the best player in the competition.

In the case of Lucas, I'm not sure what the club would get for him. He has some positive traits in his game but in big pressure games that dodgy kicking action won't be effective.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:44 am 
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Rexy wrote:
should be able to get some good return for Yarran, Lucas and Warnock

think Scotland can be moved on after this year

third round for Lucas and id take it....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:46 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
should be able to get some good return for Yarran, Lucas and Warnock

think Scotland can be moved on after this year

third round for Lucas and id take it....


maybe use him/them to upgrade a pick or package with a pick for another player


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:50 am 
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I think The Bolt is the future. I like the look of he and Kreuz

Warnock or Hampson traded. You'd get a very decent return for Warnock

I think Mick has 12 weeks to determine whether Yarran can harden up and actually show the level of commitment that is required. It is blowing my mind that I'm even considering thinking of trading someone with his talent but if he isn't going to work hard like Garlett then he will never be a premiership player, it's as simple as that.

I can actually think of ten players and maybe more who can be turned over

12 months ago I don't see it that way, just goes to show how much we've leaner about our players since


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:51 am 
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Rowe being trialled at CHB is not a good sign for Rowe. It signposts the coach doesn't think you're cutting the mustard in your usual position, in his case as a key forward

Mitchell will be next if he doesn't start to step up


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:53 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Simpson been a good soldier over the years and contracted next year but shouldn't be guaranteed a game - wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted a trade



Despite finally showing some form in the last 2 games, I feel the same way.
Graham will come in and take his spot in the BP imo.

Don't think Simmo will sustain the effort he's made in the last 2 weeks for the rest of the season let alone in 2014.

Didn't realise he was contracted for 2014: Depth

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:01 pm 
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Effes wrote:
If players have dodgy kicking actions they should not be drafted; look at how Sydney and Hawthorn draft/trade in this regard. No dodgy kicks.

If Sydney draft HBF they draft those that are nice kicks - Alex Johnson and Rampe. We draft Davies.

Inaccurate criticism. Not true about Carlton drafting HBF who are all bad kicks. We recruited Laidler, ROK, McInnes, McCarthy and Watson who are good or elite kicks. The Swans and other clubs would have taken Watto and McCarthy if they were available. They need more development.

Swans drafted Hanneberry and Parker who are tough and have improved, but they're not great kicks like Gibbs, Yarran, Watson and even Murphy. They can still kick poorly like Lucas.

Davies was picked for his mongrel and intensity to be a small or medium defender. Needed one with Tuohy a bonus and unknown.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Synbad wrote:
or the russell draft wipeout...


This is what you don't get. The way the draft works, how can you claim Russell as a wipeout? He's a 100 game player, finished 2nd in a B&F.

Using Russell is a really poor example, does your case no good at all.

Would you have preferred Richard Tambling, John Meeson, Chris Egan, Adam Thomson? Those are some of the players drafted around him.

Do you remember Jesse Wells? What if we'd drafted Adam Pattison instead?

what you dont get is the russell season wipeout means only eddie is playing for us now... even russell isnt.

you keep throwing up lame scenarios to me....

name me who our recruiters have hit the bullseye with since hughes was there in the first 3 rounds.

take out the number 1 picks... (cos u think we dont need bryce murph and krueze).. our tanking picks

answer your own question

do the work.

first 3 rounds who we have chosen since hughes and whats left

that will tell you much about our record.
stop the gibbersih with random names and do the exercise asked of you.

cos thats what sets up the club... not your babble of random names.


:lol:

You're accusing me of gibberish?

When did I say we don't need Murphy, Gibbs or Kreuzer?

You're living in some fantasy world where everyone is against, everything is bad, and you're the shining light, the only person that understands anything and to save us you have to take every opportunity to hijack every thread you can to push whatever agenda it is you have at the time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:05 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Those clubs have never traded quality. Everyone thought they were going to be handing out draft picks and quality youngsters and teams could cash in.

I don't think they're going to give much for Jamo at all. A lowly youngster they'd probably de-list anyway, maybe one who is homesick and somewhere between 30-35 on their list, or they might give us a 4th round pick (or we need to package Jamo with a 3rd rounder to get something better). Otherwise they'll tell us no thanks and go for Frawley instead.

Same thing is going to happen with Hampson, there's no point even talking about trading players like Watson or Ellard. That's why most of us understand it needs to be a big fish.


You should read my posts a little closer Brad. Do you not consider a 100-game full-back aged 27 a big fish to clubs that are screaming out for last-line defence? Golds and a 2nd/3rd rounder would do it for me. Jamo is replaceable. Quality mids don't grow on trees. Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson aren't getting any younger.


I don't think we're getting a 2nd round pick alone from GWS for Jamison, let alone a player with it. They could change their philosophy this season, but they haven't been trading out too many picks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:07 pm 
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you said i said we needed early picks...or we should tank

i said we needed eary picks indeed and we should tank

now show me if we didnt get the tanking picks.. where oir drafting will be

now i set u an exercise to prove your point to me... you named a bunch of names....

i said...

"give me a list of all of our picks under the hughes recruiting regime outside of the number 1s up to 45 and tell me how theyre going instead of sprouting meaningless rubbish do it!!!... and there lies your answer.. about recruitment records and where we would be without 3 number 1 picks "

now instead of replying with mindlesness stuff do the exrecise.

Cazzesman should help you!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:16 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
should be able to get some good return for Yarran, Lucas and Warnock

Why would you trade Yarran?

Do we bring in Buckley or Temay to replace him or draft another Yarran? :sly:

Crazy suggestion unless they give us a top five pick or a star KPP/inside mid.

This place will have a hindsight meltdown and another case of amnesia if Menzel injures his knee. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:18 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Effes wrote:
If players have dodgy kicking actions they should not be drafted; look at how Sydney and Hawthorn draft/trade in this regard. No dodgy kicks.

If Sydney draft HBF they draft those that are nice kicks - Alex Johnson and Rampe. We draft Davies.

Inaccurate criticism. Not true about Carlton drafting HBF who are all bad kicks. We recruited Laidler, ROK, McInnes, McCarthy and Watson who are good or elite kicks. The Swans and other clubs would have taken Watto and McCarthy if they were available. They need more development.

Swans drafted Hanneberry and Parker who are tough and have improved, but they're not great kicks like Gibbs, Yarran, Watson and even Murphy. They can still kick poorly like Lucas.

Davies was picked for his mongrel and intensity to be a small or medium defender. Needed one with Tuohy a bonus and unknown.


Look at the kicking actions of Parker and Hannebery compared to Lucas. Look at how Lucas puts the ball to boot; it's an action which means he'll be an inconsistent kick. Hannebery is a gut running midfielder who still has the ability to steady himself and put the ball to advantage, whereas a lot of the time Lucas will kick it on the players head and allow the defender to spoil. Not sure how you know for sure that Sydney would have taken Watson and McCarthy. McCarthy was highly rated. Sydney's key defenders/forwards are very mobile - Watson doesn't fit this type.

Davies for his mongrel and intensity? The game has moved on from having these plodder tough HBF who can't kick. They need to be able to hit targets; and a lot of Sydney and Hawthorn's list are excellent kicks; it's no surprise they load their defence with good kicks like Malceski, McVeigh, Guerra, Suckling, Gibson, Hodge

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
you said i said we needed early picks...or we should tank

i said we needed eary picks indeed and we should tank

now show me if we didnt get the tanking picks.. where oir drafting will be

now i set u an exercise to prove your point to me... you named a bunch of names....

i said...

"give me a list of all of our picks under the hughes recruiting regime outside of the number 1s up to 45 and tell me how theyre going instead of sprouting meaningless rubbish do it!!!... and there lies your answer.. about recruitment records and where we would be without 3 number 1 picks "

now instead of replying with mindlesness stuff do the exrecise.

Cazzesman should help you!!!


Keep deflecting, its what you're good at.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:30 pm 
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Yarran has gone from very good to a sub, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he had a hammy issue and I reckon his fitness is just off.

Yarran has had some down periods before, I'm hopeful that he will find form again. Whatever happens (and I don't think they'll trade him) its still imperative that you have your best player playing well because it increases their value should you have to trade someone.

WCE paid overs for Wellingham because he was playing really good footy.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:41 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Synbad wrote:
you said i said we needed early picks...or we should tank

i said we needed eary picks indeed and we should tank

now show me if we didnt get the tanking picks.. where oir drafting will be

now i set u an exercise to prove your point to me... you named a bunch of names....

i said...

"give me a list of all of our picks under the hughes recruiting regime outside of the number 1s up to 45 and tell me how theyre going instead of sprouting meaningless rubbish do it!!!... and there lies your answer.. about recruitment records and where we would be without 3 number 1 picks "

now instead of replying with mindlesness stuff do the exrecise.

Cazzesman should help you!!!


Keep deflecting, its what you're good at.



do the exercise buddy.

if you want to know why were not thereabouts by now...

dont say to me.. its because i wanted early draft picks.

eary draft picks was a great idea... as long as had people around the club that new how to knit it all together(Ie get some more in the side with non tanking type picks)

do the exercise!!!

do it!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:44 pm 
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kots1234 wrote:
Hey,
Don't post all that often but always interested to read others thoughts.

Bit of overreaction to the loss on Friday and I get that. But surely the Kruezer and Yaz trade ideas won't happen. Understand the concept of 'trade quality to get quality' but surely not!

Mick is testing out the list and those not even getting a look in would surely be the ones in question at year end. That said the players I think may be in strife are :
- McCarthy
- Watson
- Mitchell
- Duigan
- Laidler
Plus the 'usual suspects' - Joseph, Davies, Ellard

And yeah probably a ruckman too, but not Kruezer- either Hampson or Warnock.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:48 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
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If players have dodgy kicking actions they should not be drafted; look at how Sydney and Hawthorn draft/trade in this regard. No dodgy kicks.

If Sydney draft HBF they draft those that are nice kicks - Alex Johnson and Rampe. We draft Davies.

Inaccurate criticism. Not true about Carlton drafting HBF who are all bad kicks. We recruited Laidler, ROK, McInnes, McCarthy and Watson who are good or elite kicks. The Swans and other clubs would have taken Watto and McCarthy if they were available. They need more development.

Swans drafted Hanneberry and Parker who are tough and have improved, but they're not great kicks like Gibbs, Yarran, Watson and even Murphy. They can still kick poorly like Lucas.

Davies was picked for his mongrel and intensity to be a small or medium defender. Needed one with Tuohy a bonus and unknown.



rubbish....

their recruiters took guys that are going to suit where the game was heading.

its why theyre flags swans... not flogs!!!

face it... Lucas "slipped down to us"...... "watson slipped down to us"....

.. and thats because noone rated them....


ask yourself... hwta would lucas and watson be worth on the market today

and keep in mind.. the picks like lucas watson rowe hartlett austin bower mccarthy grigg hampson etc should be the backbone of our team for the next 5 to 8 years

gone!!!!....

thats recruitment ... development and list management

means theyre all shithouse..!!!..... i dont care how many pictures get posted at me...

and whats silly is the amount of defensive bullshit!!!

the record speaks for itself

wrong players... wrong kinds of players...

you can accept a few.. you can not accept such high numbers of failures

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:08 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
I can actually think of ten players and maybe more who can be turned over

12 months ago I don't see it that way, just goes to show how much we've leaner about our players since


I had around 10 that should've been shipped last year. Unfortunately we had players contracted who were borderline and destined for northern duties for the year.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:22 pm 
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couple of areas of concern,
tall forward and tall defender.
ben griffiths from the tigers, tall mobile forward who is lacking opportunities, bloke can seriously play.
try and land tom boyd from eastern rangers.
would GWS take warnock and our first pick for boyd??? maybe throw in simpson.
tayte pears from Essendon* is another who is lacking opportunities, can play he's role down back well.
trying to be a realist, no chance of landing buddy, tom lynch etc.


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