I seriously think the following should be traded to inject some midfield class:-

1. Krooz
2. Yarran or Garlett

are you joking?
is that a joke?
What would we have recruited if we were not given early picks?
More of hartlett.. bower.. russell.. rowe.. watson.. grigg...hampson.. lucas??

number 1 picks meant that hughes had to go with emma quales (or whoever the consensus said was a good pick as a number 1)
it delivered us judd for kennedy because we would have [REDACTED] up the other two picks.

it made sure we salvaged something....

and yes you can compare our club and its setups with other powerhouse clubs... richmond.. melbourne.

most clubs wouldnt have a recruiter like hughes as head recruiter.. its why he is without a head recruiter job today
other clubs wouldnt have ratts as head coach... its why he too doesnt have that job today..
most clubs wouldnt have a guy like sticks as president year after year...

am i wrong???

nup!!.. the club is [REDACTED] in the head!!!

you cant @#$%&! up the numbers we [REDACTED] up .....

its unprecedented...

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Its ok to admit you were wrong. Plenty of others were wrong as well.

Every club makes poor recruiting decisions.

Remember Chris Egan? Aaron Fiora? Richard Tambling? Kepler Beadley was drafted pick 6.

You wanted us to have early picks so we couldn't miss. Maybe we should have let Richmond go first so we got Cotchin instead.

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Trade if good deal:
Kreuzer or warnock
Lucas
Watson

Trade table/delist:
Hampson
Curnow
Collins
Okeeffe
Davies
Joseph
Dale

Elevate
Cachia
Bell

i guess what i am trying to say... is it can be tricky to rebuild even if u get really good picks.. if the club has bozos at every turn.
which is basically what we have and had.....

anyone who chooses a bunch of half back flankers year after a year... has by default a shocking and cowardly recruiter... a dumb coach for allowing it...a shit house footy manager for letting it roll... and a shit for brains ceo... for employing them... and an absolote joke of a board and a president for employing him...

i think we ticked every box

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Perhaps not quite as many, but I get your point. I think the point many are making is that Lucas and Watson went too high. You could justify the non-ironing out of their major deficiencies (that were present at under-16 level) if they were 2nd/3rd rounders.



I don't rate him the same as other Carlton supporters rate him. I think he's very overrated. But there is a shortage of 100 game full-backs on some lists and a couple that would trade for him. I don't think they trade for him in 2014, so I'm striking while the iron is hot. I've already stated in this thread who I'd like from GWS (realistically), but we'd have to hand over something else as well in all likelihood.

I was keen on Gold Coasts' Henry Schade before he re-signed last week. Others are advocating making a play for James Frawley. Funnily enough both Gold Coast and GWS have shown interest in Frawley. These clubs won't be trading quality for too much longer. It's a @#$%&! crime that we don't have a legitimate list manager.



Agreed. But we still need to delist them!



Yep. I'm just hoping they have some balls.

I wouldn't disagree with much of that.

We're still a long way off.

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Hey,
Don't post all that often but always interested to read others thoughts.

Bit of overreaction to the loss on Friday and I get that. But surely the Kruezer and Yaz trade ideas won't happen. Understand the concept of 'trade quality to get quality' but surely not!

Mick is testing out the list and those not even getting a look in would surely be the ones in question at year end. That said the players I think may be in strife are :
- McCarthy
- Watson
- Mitchell
- Duigan
- Laidler
Plus the 'usual suspects' - Joseph, Davies, Ellard

And yeah probably a ruckman too, but not Kruezer- either Hampson or Warnock.

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Those clubs have never traded quality. Everyone thought they were going to be handing out draft picks and quality youngsters and teams could cash in.

I don't think they're going to give much for Jamo at all. A lowly youngster they'd probably de-list anyway, maybe one who is homesick and somewhere between 30-35 on their list, or they might give us a 4th round pick (or we need to package Jamo with a 3rd rounder to get something better). Otherwise they'll tell us no thanks and go for Frawley instead.

Same thing is going to happen with Hampson, there's no point even talking about trading players like Watson or Ellard. That's why most of us understand it needs to be a big fish.

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I'm not that worried about the talent on the list, I think that needs some work and ironing out, but isn't far off. We've been in a winning position in every game apart from the St Kilda game, and even then....we found ourselves with a chance anyway.

The problem I see is the mental fragility of the list. Its leadership. There aren't enough players who are capable of taking control out there and turning a winning position into a win.

We should have beaten Richmond, St Kilda, Essendon* and Collingwood, but we crumbled.

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im not wrong.

most good players are picked early...

we didnt @#$%&! up our first picks.. we [REDACTED] up a bunch of early picks.

murphy gibbs kreuzer arent the problem... its the 15 players picked between 5 and 30/45 that are the problem....

youre not getting that are you???

go and check them out.

last time i watched murphy gibbs and kreuzer are in the side accumulating 100 plus games..and contributing.

look at the picks after them...
we needed number 1 picks... cos our recruiting is poor.

and if we had good recruiting.... we would be up there now.

whats what i said got to do with the watson draft wipeout???
or the russell draft wipeout...

ETC

????

huh???

i cant speak for incomepetence of the club

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This is what you don't get. The way the draft works, how can you claim Russell as a wipeout? He's a 100 game player, finished 2nd in a B&F.

Using Russell is a really poor example, does your case no good at all.

Would you have preferred Richard Tambling, John Meeson, Chris Egan, Adam Thomson? Those are some of the players drafted around him.

Do you remember Jesse Wells? What if we'd drafted Adam Pattison instead?

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what you dont get is the russell season wipeout means only eddie is playing for us now... even russell isnt.

you keep throwing up lame scenarios to me....

name me who our recruiters have hit the bullseye with since hughes was there in the first 3 rounds.

take out the number 1 picks... (cos u think we dont need bryce murph and krueze).. our tanking picks

answer your own question

do the work.

first 3 rounds who we have chosen since hughes and whats left

that will tell you much about our record.
stop the gibbersih with random names and do the exercise asked of you.

cos thats what sets up the club... not your babble of random names.

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You should read my posts a little closer Brad. Do you not consider a 100-game full-back aged 27 a big fish to clubs that are screaming out for last-line defence? Golds and a 2nd/3rd rounder would do it for me. Jamo is replaceable. Quality mids don't grow on trees. Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson aren't getting any younger.

Trade 2 of: Gibbs, Yarran, Hampson.

Not sure re: Kreuzer vs. Warnock


I see the point with Jamo - he's probably peaked and he can be suspect at times & injury prone..
But who fills his spot? Watson? Mccarthy?

Whoever recruits talls at Adelaide would fix our tall problem in 2 seasons.....

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Rendell played a part in Tippett, Davis, Bock, McKernan, Walker.

aramari is right; our drafting/development of KP players has been very poor.

One of the ruckman has to go; fortunately they are both under contract. Unfortunately there won't be massive demand out there.

Don't spend huge cap money on someone like Thomas...that would be the old Carlton chequebook tactics; buying more time for the administration and making the list skewed and cap space skewed.

If players have dodgy kicking actions they should not be drafted; look at how Sydney and Hawthorn draft/trade in this regard. No dodgy kicks.

If Sydney draft HBF they draft those that are nice kicks - Alex Johnson and Rampe. We draft Davies.

Hopefully there is a tall forward worth picking at our first pick; otherwise midfield depth should be the focus. Don't need to trade Yarran or Gibbs or Kreuzer. Just focus on the drafting and development and don't go throwing cash at Thomas.

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agree no one should be safe on that list and maybe a gws may be interested in a waite for a young kpp

should be able to get some good return for Yarran, Lucas and Warnock

think Scotland can be moved on after this year