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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:43 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Really disappointing second time this year leading by two or three goals at three quarter time to be run over by both Essendon* and Collingwood - sign of mentally weak side - should have won easily after the boulter kicked that goal - who didn't think we weren't going to win when bombers got a goal behind - smell the fear - lost to esendon and bloody tigers by less than a goal - mentally weak - don't even get me started on that bloody game against stkilda mentally weak - intimidated continually by sides like Collingwood and geelong - mentally weak - every time we have a chance to cement a spot in the eight we squib it - see matches against esendon and stkilda -MENTALLY BLOODY WEAK
SICK OF IT - one last chance next week to show some bloody character and mental toughness - beat hawthorn and give us something

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:53 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
So left the game last reflecting, apart from being in semi shock as we've come to expect this sort of result from our team over the past 4 to 5 years.

Here goes:
We have players who are mentally weak.
We have players who are not fit enough to play the modern game for all 120 minutes.
We have an abundance of players who cannot kick accurately, thus costing us many games - this comes to lack of technique and poor recruiting criteria.
We have players who "sleep with the lights on at night" in big games.
We don't have an effective F50 entry system - this has been non existent since the halcyon days in the mid to late 90's.
This list will definitely not take us to no.17, let alone make any impact, in the remote chance, we make finals this year.
We have some players who are improving at a good rate - eg. Casboult, Cachia

What this means:
Biggest list overhaul in recent years required - PLAYERS THAT CAN HIT A TARGET and KICK BETWEEN THE BIG STICKS - one of the key criteria
Mentally and physically tough players - bring in some extroverts FFS.
Trade/draft using a 'moneyball' philosophy - players that can kick but are not getting games at other clubs - eg. like Scotland

Was in semi shock from the result, but supporting this MEDIOCRE team - at BEST - is getting boring. :roll:


Are you saying extroverts are naturally mentally tougher than introverts? I would have said Bruce Doull for example was mentally tough, but by all accounts was a big introvert


I was alluding to the fact the list, by even our own coaches' admission, are very shy, introverted types. Extroverts are very vocal and action oriented by nature. Introverts can be mentally tough, but this list needs to be more balanced with extroverts as there's a huge slant to the introversion and some voice and action are required when times get tough.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:08 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
spuddie wrote:
Wangers wrote:
So left the game last reflecting, apart from being in semi shock as we've come to expect this sort of result from our team over the past 4 to 5 years.

Here goes:
We have players who are mentally weak.
We have players who are not fit enough to play the modern game for all 120 minutes.
We have an abundance of players who cannot kick accurately, thus costing us many games - this comes to lack of technique and poor recruiting criteria.
We have players who "sleep with the lights on at night" in big games.
We don't have an effective F50 entry system - this has been non existent since the halcyon days in the mid to late 90's.
This list will definitely not take us to no.17, let alone make any impact, in the remote chance, we make finals this year.
We have some players who are improving at a good rate - eg. Casboult, Cachia

What this means:
Biggest list overhaul in recent years required - PLAYERS THAT CAN HIT A TARGET and KICK BETWEEN THE BIG STICKS - one of the key criteria
Mentally and physically tough players - bring in some extroverts FFS.
Trade/draft using a 'moneyball' philosophy - players that can kick but are not getting games at other clubs - eg. like Scotland

Was in semi shock from the result, but supporting this MEDIOCRE team - at BEST - is getting boring. :roll:


Are you saying extroverts are naturally mentally tougher than introverts? I would have said Bruce Doull for example was mentally tough, but by all accounts was a big introvert


I was alluding to the fact the list, by even our own coaches' admission, are very shy, introverted types. Extroverts are very vocal and action oriented by nature. Introverts can be mentally tough, but this list needs to be more balanced with extroverts as there's a huge slant to the introversion and some voice and action are required when times get tough.


Fair point


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:29 pm 
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I thought it was a cracking game and it could have gone either way. In the end we looked a bit tired, but jeez guys 25 pages of doom and gloom after a 5 point loss to a team that have been top 4 all year. I thought we actually looked tough in the midfield for the first time in a long time. We shut down their play makers.

We didn't have the answer fro the switch of Hurley and Carlisle but we will learn from that.

We should have put them away early, but apart from that it was a great game... And no I am not talking the honourable loss, it was a match that could have gone either way and when they got in front we were good enough to get the lead back despite not having the momentum.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:30 pm 
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We really needed Touhy to follow White when he received the 50m penalty, receive the handball and slam it through post high from outside 50.


agreed!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:35 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
This result was pre-ordained. Any time a game is even remotely thought of as season-defining we drop our bundle. Every single time. We have nothing even approaching the mindset needed to win a flag. We're so far from it that it isn't even a distant speck on the horizon. If Malthouse can turn this team into genuine contenders it will, without question, make him the greatest coach of the modern era.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:36 pm 
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I think the team did really well to get within a kick of a pack of drug-enhanced cheats.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:47 pm 
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I thought it was a cracking game and it could have gone either way. In the end we looked a bit tired, but jeez guys 25 pages of doom and gloom after a 5 point loss to a team that have been top 4 all year. I thought we actually looked tough in the midfield for the first time in a long time. We shut down their play makers.

We didn't have the answer fro the switch of Hurley and Carlisle but we will learn from that.

We should have put them away early, but apart from that it was a great game... And no I am not talking the honourable loss, it was a match that could have gone either way and when they got in front we were good enough to get the lead back despite not having the momentum.


as Waite had Carlisle rattled, I can't help but wonder what if...
if Waitey went into defence against him in the 2nd half, and hendo went forward...
I know there's no point, but it's bugging me today.
MM has already done some shifting like that this year, but didn't try it yesterday.
I also agree with you, that we did some very good things for a lot of the match.
However, as many have said, we have to find the grunt and the will to not relinquish these close games, if we want to be contenders.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:06 pm 
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I thought MM was outcoached last night, especially in the second half. Credit to Thompson. Oops i mean Hird.
When Hurley went back and Carlisle went forward i would have sent Waite to the backline and moved Henderson up forward.
Waite was towelling up Hurley and should have followed him.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:12 pm 
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Not sure Waite going back would've changed anything tbh

We got the ball into our f50 plenty of times... and they walked it out way too easy plenty of times

Our small forwards were nowhere near the drop of the ball all night... why?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Not sure Waite going back would've changed anything tbh

We got the ball into our f50 plenty of times... and they walked it out way too easy plenty of times

Our small forwards were nowhere near the drop of the ball all night... why?

Sorry i meant to say Waite was towelling up Carlisle so sending Waite to the backline might have stopped Carlisle who became dominant in the second half.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:26 pm 
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blueslander wrote:
I thought it was a cracking game and it could have gone either way. In the end we looked a bit tired, but jeez guys 25 pages of doom and gloom after a 5 point loss to a team that have been top 4 all year. I thought we actually looked tough in the midfield for the first time in a long time. We shut down their play makers.

We didn't have the answer fro the switch of Hurley and Carlisle but we will learn from that.

We should have put them away early, but apart from that it was a great game... And no I am not talking the honourable loss, it was a match that could have gone either way and when they got in front we were good enough to get the lead back despite not having the momentum.

+1
i thought this was the first of 4 matches that will define our season? we lost, which sucks massively. but i'm really looking forward to see how we shape up in the next 3

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:52 pm 
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Absolutely shattering last night, and even today I'm not over it. I think it's going to take all week before I start to forget but we played the better overall game I thought.

Kane Lucas cost us big time, as did the umpiring blunder, the game should have at least been a draw!

Simon White isn't up to it I reckon, and he had a chance to goal late in the game and choked it off the side of the boot, mental weakness is like a virus spreading throughout the team.

One of the worst losses in memory for mine, hope Mick can turn it around against a team we haven't beaten for 8 years.... yes 8.long.years


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:55 pm 
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I am shattered. Will be for months. Bookmark it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:03 pm 
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Could have,should have.But didnt.....................beauty is we have next week as a statement game.Hawks are good,but not that good.Not deflated one bit myself.All these close losses just tell's me we are getting closer.Its gunna click real soon,and for mine no better time than the Hawks.

PS............i can honestly say the only time i have been totally disgusted was our effort against the Saints.That was pathetic alround.But other than that we have shown glimpses.Lots of players have improved individually,just havent gelled as a team.Reckon its just around the corner.I feel our second half of the year is gunna be a big improvement on our first half..................effen hell guys,talk about list cloggers,holly shit,we had them in premiership years.Lists are continually evolving.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:44 pm 
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I am shattered. Will be for months. Bookmark it.


I felt as small as a bees pube, nestled between Essendon* people.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:14 pm 
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Either way ... a disgraceful coaching performance.


I suspect if Carlton had won by 20 goals, you would have still thought it a disgraceful coaching performance. I think we get it. You don't like MM. :eek:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:37 am 
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In Milan for a conference, so tense before this game I was glad I would be away. Arrived back at the hotel last night and my wife told me we'd won by 5 points. I literally jumped for joy, then she tells me we lost by 5...what, who does that.. That's not funny. Ruined my night. Went to the Opera immediately after at La Scala at €231 per ticket but couldn't enjoy it cause I was still pissed off. Seriously wish football didn't mean so much to me. It's @#$%&! ridiculous. Hate those red and black cauliflower.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:47 am 
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Where is the actual match day discussion thread? I can't seem to find it.


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