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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:42 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:46 am 
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Honestly do some on here really think by getting Judd we would automatically win a flag, when that was not working we would get MM and then get a flag immediately? Getting Judd and MM were the right decisions unfortunately we have stuffed up many other decisions.

Good clubs generally make very good decisions on and off the ground unfortunately we are way of the mark, point the fingers at them not The Judd deal or MM. I'd rather have MM in the position we are in now because he will question the decision makers. MM has a big ego and he will not tolerate soft players that have very little skill.

Synners is right until we get the right decision makers we will continue to get one right and then stuff up the next 4.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:48 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Shit list management and recruitment.
the cull is on....!!!....

!@#$%& pathetic...!!!

Our drafting...
Lucas
Watson
Grigg
Hampson

4 top 20 picks and nothing to show for it...

This is where your improvement is meant to be coming from.
This is what is meant to be holding you in good stead.

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Pick 9 Russell
Pick 20 Bower
Pick 25 Hartlett
Pick 35 Austin


Pick 1 Kreuzer...hip issues, weak mark.....he did kick 13 in a row when he had bad hips.
Fix his hips and he gets the yips

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:50 am 
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gsd112 wrote:
BlueLife wrote:
I thought Kreuzer was immense inside the contests tonight. Essendon* would have won a lot more clean ball without him throwing himself around. And people would trade that for a handful of better tap-outs? :donk:

Warnock is our no1 ruck no doubt about it and back up ruck/forward id prefer casboult atleast he can take a mark.



197cm Ryder had 37 hit outs

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:51 am 
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chubbyruss wrote:
MIL wrote:
Effes wrote:
Whenever there is an opportunity to win a close one and show that the club is genuinely up there they flop.

Semi against WC
Against Geelong when Warnock missed
Semi against Sydney
This game


you forgot the semi against Brions :smile:


Warnock v Geelong at Etihad

Hawthorn twice at the G (Dixon, Fev)

Kernahan corner

Neil Daniher 3 goals in time on

Besides Richmond last year I think the last close game we won was the 1999 prelim


Not sure if this is serious or not.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:55 am 
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Waite kicks 7
Watson and Stanton well beaten
Jamo & Henderson dominate their positions

HOW DO WE LOSE????
Culture:
- Whilst, we have improved on the 'never lie down and die' front
- We still don't have that killer instinct that wins the close ones and mercilessly smashes weaker teams

Biggest things to focus on:
1) Mentally:
- Full time, 24-7 killer instinct (special note to Waite: ball/goal focused killer instinct; not player-oriented - unless they're in the way of the ball/goals, of course....)
- Continue the improvement in never say die attitude
- Desperation to win. Every contest. Every match. All the time.

2) Skills:
- Goal kicking. (Judd - practise kicking on the run from 40-60m directly in front; Jeffy - set shots, 40m 45 degrees; Army/Lucas - look for teammates in better positions, practise kicking at high speed from the pockets; Casboult - set shots from everywhere)
- Passing (Try kicking and handballing to players chests, rather than at their feet)
- Marking on the lead: Soft hands, strong arms out in front.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:01 am 
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keogh wrote:
Gibbs' kicking is shit for an AFL footballer


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:01 am 
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The recruiting does need addressing and hopefully the addition of Williams will make a difference.

I thought the picks of Temay, Graham and Menzel were good but I dont get the pick of Cachia. Handy player but does he add to or improve our list?

Someone like Colquhoun or Garlett would of been better. Rookies should be for talented kids with a spot for a Mature Aged ruckman. How many of these kids step up and become good players?

Duigan, Cachia, Curnow, Joseph can go. Add nothing. Big decisons on McCarthy, Watson, Mitchell, OKeefe, Davies, Collins, Dale & Ellard.

Personally I don't care if they all go.

Need to go after some talented young guns via trade if we can and hopefully stockpile some picks for the draft.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:02 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
keogh wrote:
Gibbs' kicking is shit for an AFL footballer


:screwy: :garthp:


I know, right? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:06 am 
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There seems to be too many players with a fear of failure. " I'm not taking the shot on goal, I'll pass to a player in a worse position rather than shoot myself. If I try to hit that player on the lead and miss it'll look bad, I'll bomb it long. Oh God, I've got to take this shot on goal." etc. etc.

Great players relish the opportunity on the big stage, look forward to the big moments, love the chance to slot the important goal, not many of our players do.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:08 am 
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Gutted.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:09 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
lost it half way through the third...you could see them coming...Lucas misses, then Kreuzer marks and instead of slowing it down and taking a set shit panics and plays on. No composure. We played like north do.


Kreuzer's mark was called play on by the ump as it didn't travel the distance. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good analogy.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:14 am 
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cortez wrote:
The turning point when Lucas ran into the open goal and missed. What can you say? Mentally weak, good sides win close games, Carlton never wins them. I knew we were gone at three quarter time, the final score flatters us. Season over.


I agree, Lucas missing a bread and butter shot at goal when we had them by the balls, he misses they kick two game changes completely, don't know why he was brought in last night.

Can we get the stats for individual player turnovers, I reckon Lucas would be number 1 in the comp.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:18 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
First quarter was the killer. 18 inside 50s and FA return. Terrible forward structure early. Tried to be too cute and shot ourselves in the foot.


We were too Waite conscious, it was a one man forward line all night, shut Waite down and scoring dries up, no flexibility or real run last night, and they refused to lower their eyes and look for options.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:18 am 
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My nerves are shot.
Like many, bewildered that we let it get away.
It was hard to be at the G for that last q.
I missed a lot of it, from pacing, and sitting on the floor in a cubicle.
I need to get some perspective.
Nice sunny day...walk the dog...
I watched up to half time on the replay.
We were fabulous.
Nice things were said, we saw a shining 2nd half of the season as possible.

perhaps we can still salvage something.
there are improvements..I can see that.

I really don't think I can go back to the G next week.

some thoughts.
I love Casboult further down the field. No worries about goal shots, and all the good marking strength.

Don't limit Yaz to forward only.. he's great down back, just as Walks and Hendo are great forward too.
Why did MM leave Eddie on Fletch for so long in the game? Are he and Yaz underdone?

Mitch..seems low. Is it personal, MM, or just he has a virus or niggling injury?
Something is up there. He seems flat. We need to solve that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:20 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
The recruiting does need addressing and hopefully the addition of Williams will make a difference.

I thought the picks of Temay, Graham and Menzel were good but I dont get the pick of Cachia. Handy player but does he add to or improve our list?

Someone like Colquhoun or Garlett would of been better. Rookies should be for talented kids with a spot for a Mature Aged ruckman. How many of these kids step up and become good players?

Duigan, Cachia, Curnow, Joseph can go. Add nothing. Big decisons on McCarthy, Watson, Mitchell, OKeefe, Davies, Collins, Dale & Ellard.

Personally I don't care if they all go.

Need to go after some talented young guns via trade if we can and hopefully stockpile some picks for the draft.


Tough on Cachia. Is proving he belongs and deserved his second chance.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:24 am 
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Smurph wrote:
$#@% umpires and $#@% lLucas. That miss from 5m screwed us. Inexcusable. Would have been 5+ goals up but they got a goal 30 seconds later and at that point they had a sniff and I knew we'd get done. So angry right now


Honestly can't blame the umpires, they screwed up with the Garlett goal, but otherwise were ok.

Kane Lucas should only be allowed to play in a position where he doesn't have to kick the ball or hand pass it.

Wouldn't be surprised if Robbo gets a spell for Bell next week, he was about as useful as windscreen wipers on the space shuttle and has been for the last couple of weeks.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:30 am 
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Watching the after game press conference. Right at the end, one jurno comments about the easy goals and the amount of space the bumbers had. I think this is a pretty key factor to why teams get a run on against us.
Micks game plan is to play the boundries. I still cant see the benefits to this and Im hoping smarter people than me ,here, can explain this to me. It seems to limit the space we have to work in, and is very predictable. Our players push up and wide to support this, leaving lots of space inboard and behind .If we do turn the ball over (which we do a fair bit) our opponent has more space to switch play to the other wing, or even more damaging, run straight thru the middle. Logic says you play a sweeper and keep defenders deep to cover this, but we seem to get caught out often pushing up the ground.
As the game goes on and players tire, space always opens up. Disposal efficiency can also fall due to tired legs.
Yes if you never turn the ball over this isnt an issue, but unfortunately that isnt the calibre of team we have. It seems pretty simple to me. Wait for the blues to turn the ball over around the 40-50m mark, feed (run) the ball straight down the open space in the center of the ground to a 1-1 contest. If your fwd has pushed up taking the laast defender with him, have a ping at an open goal . Worked a treat last night.
Im confused why we play this way, again, I dont see the benefits of the boundries and it just so damned preditable and exploitable.
Horses for courses I say and a good coach should always play to his strengths. I just dont think this game plan works for this team, with this personel.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:33 am 
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verbs wrote:
Good presser from Mick.

Is Cachia eligible for the rising star?


Well he is the new Carrots.

But a good measured presser.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:34 am 
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We all know we let this one slip.

If we did this and that right we would've won....right? Damn right!

As soon as Lucas missed that shot when he had Army running beside him in a better spot, I felt we left the door opened.

I don't think we mix it up in the forwardline enough.

We do have some talent, but we have these guys in our team who do not meet our expectations....like Kreuzer taking a few Casboult like, Carlisle like marks around the ground and up forward....and kick the wining goal.

I am gutted, my 5 year old is still crying, and Hawks next week. So how do I feel?

Better this morning than last night I tell you. Our season can improve and if this doesn't hurt our group then the trade period will.

I look forward to the next game. We have talent and we can win. These blokes must be hanging out to beat a top 8 team, and we have 3 on the trot. I call that opportunity we don't have to wait for.

Yarran 3 possessions...WTF!!!
The missed shots at goal.....and I saw more bombing to a contest when we were outnumbered again. Surely we'll rid ourselves of this trait this year!
Enough is enough.

There's room for improvement....I know that's an understatement...but how? MM?

Carrazzo? Menzel? Warnock? McInnes? Graham?

We need some of the excess talent of the GWS and GCS and maybe a Demon too....that's next year. This year we need to improve every facet of our game week in week out. Play fit players who can run 100 minutes and kick straight...no point if they can't kick straight.

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