Why are we so average?

barass · **Posted:** Thu May 30, 2013 9:22 pm

I hear you harker....

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Blue Vain wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

New game plan? :lol:

I love this excuse.
Tell me how our new gameplan is radically different to our last one.
It's not. Even Malthouse has realised we were playing a gamestyle that reflected the strengths of our team. Our problems have very little to do with the decisions made by the players when they have the ball in hand and MM will now know that now.

We have systemic issues that relate to indecision, poor planning, weak individuals who are easily influenced and policy making on the run. That is how our club and most of its departments have been managed for years.
The players are the creation of it.
The club needs a rebuild. The end result will alter very little until we change the way our club does business overall. A change of coach cannot make the difference.
All it did was buy time for those who are the real problem. 2003 again.

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Read the post. :roll:

I'm talking about the board, administration, relevant departments etc.
As I said, the players are just a creation of how they're being instructed and managed.
This list has the ability to play high level football. They've demonstrated that previously.
We dont need a list rebuild, we need to implement an overall club structure that will enable them to realise their potential.

Its the off field structures and leadership that are holding them back. They create the direction, expectations, standards and methodology to be a high level performer.
We're way off the pace in all of those facets.

I read your post. We had the same off field structures back in March when you said we should be top 4 this year.

Yes, and I believe we still can be a top 4 side.

Do you still believe it will happen in 2013? Our off field structure hasn't changed from 2 months ago.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

harker wrote:

Synbad wrote:

The supporters are the only great asset this club has apart from the history.

Which supporters?

Why are we different to Collingwood supporters or Essendon* supporters?

Did we come from a different mould or just born into some superiority right?

I think our supporters (well, many of them) have an unrivalled and misplaced sense of entitlement. We think we have a divine right to be the best and simply can't handle it when things don't go exactly according to plan.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 12:06 am

Blues2005 wrote:

harker wrote:

Synbad wrote:

The supporters are the only great asset this club has apart from the history.

Which supporters?

Why are we different to Collingwood supporters or Essendon* supporters?

Did we come from a different mould or just born into some superiority right?

I think our supporters (well, many of them) have an unrivalled and misplaced sense of entitlement. We think we have a divine right to be the best and simply can't handle it when things don't go exactly according to plan.

Must have a plan......

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

Blues2005 wrote:

I think our supporters (well, many of them) have an unrivalled and misplaced sense of entitlement. We think we have a divine right to be the best and simply can't handle it when things don't go exactly according to plan.

I think it's been difficult for many Baby Boomers and Gen X supporters who witnessed Carlton be close to the best at many things and then put up with decade long misery of being the worst at many things. We were even the best at the in-fighting. I don't know what the expectations of the Gen Y supporter is although I suspect most only care about on-field matters.

Like Kodak - you can't just live on your name, past successes and reputation. You have to move with the times. Carlton's reluctance to embrace change and be early adopters of innovative thinking has hurt it, in part due to complacency at board level. Supporters have every right to feel aggrieved. I'd hate to think what Laurie Kerr would think of Carlton today.

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

Synbad wrote:

harker wrote:

Synbad wrote:

The supporters are the only great asset this club has apart from the history.

Which supporters?

Why are we different to Collingwood supporters or Essendon* supporters?

Did we come from a different mould or just born into some superiority right?

might not be better than Essendon* or collingwood... but still the best asset the cllub has.
take the supporters we have away and whats left for the club....???

Take the board away.. or the coach away... or the match committee away.... or the president...
wed still continue on ....

you see???.. the best asset this club has is its supporters... not the guys running the club currently...
yes??? no???

its just another way for these guys to see the plain truth...
we can do without them.. they cant do without us....

The club best recognize that as being the fact. No argument.
All the signals are that they have and I hope it not to be a honeymoon thing but an honest step in the right direction. Time will tell.

President? It shouldn't be Kernahan. It should have never been Kernahan. Change has been promised at years end. We'll see.
Recruitment? Subjective, but we did appoint Rogers last year and haven't been sitting on that alone by poaching some of Geelong's IP.
Board? Chicken or egg debate dependent on what is happening on-field although there will always be gripes about someone we don't like for one reason or another. Trim this year?
Player Development: Terrible in recent years, no question. I'm liking what I'm seeing this year to date. There is real purpose in players playing the lower level.
Coaches? If you don't like the Mick/Wiley combination, who should we have? I was against Mick initially until I saw his work first hand and I'm unashamedly in love with Wiley.
Captain? 9 games in and Murphy is shit? How many times has that type call fallen flat on its face. Shouldn't we give it a fair time to run. You know: The Australian Way.

My wife is a shit-talker, she's a shit cook, she's got shit for brains, she looks like shit and she's generally just a shit person, but lucky she's got me. I'm the only good thing in her life. :smile:

If I don't like anything about her then I should do something about it. Maybe I'm just as shit, as I really should be asking for a divorce if I was truly honest with myself.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17952

Blues2005 wrote:

harker wrote:

Synbad wrote:

The supporters are the only great asset this club has apart from the history.

Which supporters?

Why are we different to Collingwood supporters or Essendon* supporters?

Did we come from a different mould or just born into some superiority right?

I think our supporters (well, many of them) have an unrivalled and misplaced sense of entitlement. We think we have a divine right to be the best and simply can't handle it when things don't go exactly according to plan.

Not at all. Many of us have invested a lot of time and money into the club under the illusion that we are progressing. We're fed bullshit about how the club is changing its attitudes and the mistakes of the past will not be repeated.
Unfortunately you tend to get disappointed when the club promises plenty and delivers little. More importantly, I'm seeing the same arse covering occuring now that I witnessed in 2003.
People bereft of ideas who get the chequebook out to try to solve problems. What a waste of an opportunity we've witnessed over the paat half dozen years.

Yet apparently we have to suck it up and get the duffle coats out. If you dont, you're a pretend supporter. What a crock of shit.
If we suck it up, the same mistakes will continue to be made.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 11:23 am

Just suck it up......

Hand your money over don't complain. Lol

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 11:45 am

Looking around at some of the games at faces in the crowd, I flour hope not that our supporters are the best asset we have.

:eek:

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2644

Captain Dan wrote:

Looking around at some of the games at faces in the crowd, I flour hope not that our supporters are the best asset we have.

:eek:

Was it against the pies?

DenimUndies · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 12:13 pm

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 12:16 pm

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

That kinda talk won't get you far on here Denim.

We're doomed, DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED I tells ya!

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

cimm1979 wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

That kinda talk won't get you far on here Denim.

We're doomed, DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED I tells ya!

Stick a fork in us.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17952

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

I'm happy to be swayed.
Give me some reasons why we are great other than our history.
What do we do really well that separates us from the average clubs?

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 4:59 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

I'm happy to be swayed.
Give me some reasons why we are great other than our history.
What do we do really well that separates us from the average clubs?

nice jumper

FlipMode2 · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 5:25 pm

Synbad wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

I'm happy to be swayed.
Give me some reasons why we are great other than our history.
What do we do really well that separates us from the average clubs?

nice jumper

$200 Raffle tickets

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

I see it as "We were a great club that lost its way and now we are on our way back".

The recruitment of Malthouse will add to the improvement of the club as a whole over the past few years.

It's now about performances week in week out. Geelong should be the bench mark and our minimum standard.

I truly believe we are on the right path but there is still a fair bit to go.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

Blue Vain wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

I'm happy to be swayed.
Give me some reasons why we are great other than our history.
What do we do really well that separates us from the average clubs?

Rebecca Judd and Megan Gale.

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7275

dane wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

That kinda talk won't get you far on here Denim.

We're doomed, DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED I tells ya!

Stick a fork in us.

Sticks forked us... :sly:

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri May 31, 2013 9:04 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

DenimUndies wrote:

we are not an average club. We are a great club, and we getting even better.

I'm happy to be swayed.
Give me some reasons why we are great other than our history.
What do we do really well that separates us from the average clubs?

We have Sticks Kernahan as president....

Why are we so average?

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