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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:42 pm 
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I heard laidler played a very good game in the twos


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:47 pm 
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I heard laidler played a very good game in the twos


I wonder if there are other players playing senior footy who aren't very quick but have footy smarts :?:


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:55 pm 
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I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:57 pm 
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I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:29 pm 
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I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Ditch the press and go back to the great floods of the late 90's early 00's. Teams have killed us with this tactics for years. Always wondered how we would go with doing it ourselves.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:42 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Only works if the opposition are bombing it in. Better sides kick the ball lower to the lead or to the advantage of the forward. They will also hold the ball up until a lead is coming. The resting Ruckman will not then be able to have any influence.

They will also then have a 4 man forward line and forming a zone around wing/chf. Defenders will push up and make it almost impossible to pass and if they do there is nothing further up the ground.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:55 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
pew1 wrote:
I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Only works if the opposition are bombing it in. Better sides kick the ball lower to the lead or to the advantage of the forward. They will also hold the ball up until a lead is coming. The resting Ruckman will not then be able to have any influence.

They will also then have a 4 man forward line and forming a zone around wing/chf. Defenders will push up and make it almost impossible to pass and if they do there is nothing further up the ground.


Yep ... always works against us ... cause we are forever just bombing it in.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:09 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Would work if we had a first ruck who could actually take a contested mark, in which case I guess you are advocating dropping warnock into the twos to join Hampson?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:39 pm 
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Not crazy if it gives better balance and structure to side.

I think Warnock has been good and will get better.

It's so much about picking the best side to win, the opposition and the conditions. Also, sides are really developing line ups that are more and more mobile. It's a reason why Laidler isn't getting a game.

When Waite went off and Kruezer or Warnock went forward we looked slow and predictable.


Do you think Jamison is more mobile than Laidler? Jamison basically plays in the one position and moves up the ground with the forward he is covering. Laidler has shown us what a great defender he is ... No excuse for the MC not selecting him. We will probably lose him at years end and there will be a big finger pointing at MM and the MC if that happens.


I think Laidler's papers are stamped. Can't see him playing.

I have spoken to someone involved with the NB and according to him Laidler has been told be more versatile. I think he is one that may be moved on at the end of the year if his form doesnt improve.
Back to the game, i am heading up so hoping for a good win.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:46 pm 
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A new coach was always going to view a few senior players slightly more negatively than the previous coach

Laids and Duigs were good players for us, but hardly in the top 5 players at the club

And Laidler looks even slower since the knee injuries


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:56 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Good idea.

I wish our rucks did take marks in defense.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:05 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Reckon the extra small makes sense this week given the time between games and state of Brisbane's talls. Jamo to Brown, White takes Lisle, Bootsma on Staker. Play Hendo forward.

Only sticking point is whether Kreuzer or Warnock have four quarters of rucking in them. I'd argue probably not.


Bit of a smokey. Rowe in to play on Brown, has played a few in defence in 2's this season. Jamo to Staker & White on Lisle.

Releases Henderson forward w Waite & Casboult who replaces Warnock. If they go smaller Collins a chance in defence and release Simmo back into midfield.

Kruezer takes on L'Berger. Has the athleticism.

Stop Moloney (Curnow) & Hanley (Armfield) and we win.

Bootsma on a wing. :wink:



Please no Simmo in the midfield.

He's not in defense because of necessity...I'm sure we're trying to find a good fit for him and the team given he's our VC. He's lost a yard and doesn't break lines, and you have to accept that. Even if he does do the big round about around his opponent he doesn't have the turbo working anymore to get clear.

He does what Brock does in the midfield: hatch the ball. Free against or ball up. Going nowhere.

Not a fan of Brock and Simmo atm. They are not the future imo. Too slow. Gutsy? sure...but we can't pass that on to bolt onto Lucas who has the speed and vice versa.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:18 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

Bit of a smokey. Rowe in to play on Brown, has played a few in defence in 2's this season. Jamo to Staker & White on Lisle.
Releases Henderson forward w Waite & Casboult who replaces Warnock. If they go smaller Collins a chance in defence and release Simmo back into midfield.
Kruezer takes on L'Berger. Has the athleticism.
Stop Moloney (Curnow) & Hanley (Armfield) and we win.
Bootsma on a wing. :wink:


Nothing wrong with the logic. Not sure Rowe will be selected and not sure his shoulder is up to it either.

Worried about Leuenberger and having two rucks would work him over, but again the reasoning is sound.

Could be interesting but I thing we'll end up keeping it simple and select Gibbs for Bootsma.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
A new coach was always going to view a few senior players slightly more negatively than the previous coach

Laids and Duigs were good players for us, but hardly in the top 5 players at the club

And Laidler looks even slower since the knee injuries


When Laidler was playing before his injury ... he was just as slow as he is now. He was also the BEST and most CONSISTENT backman we had ... so that argument just does not hold any water. Another foul up by the MC and MM ... destroying any confidence Laidler had.

Just more bad decisions in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:02 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
A new coach was always going to view a few senior players slightly more negatively than the previous coach

Laids and Duigs were good players for us, but hardly in the top 5 players at the club

And Laidler looks even slower since the knee injuries


When Laidler was playing before his injury ... he was just as slow as he is now. He was also the BEST and most CONSISTENT backman we had ... so that argument just does not hold any water. Another foul up by the MC and MM ... destroying any confidence Laidler had.

Just more bad decisions in my opinion.

its about style of play
where would u play him???

hbf right?

and who goes out for laidler to play on the hbf...alll the others are versatile ...white tuohy boots etc are versatile...

the problem is... we dont need 15 hbfers .....thats why 3 are playing and 12 are in the reserves

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:05 pm 
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harker wrote:
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Bit of a smokey. Rowe in to play on Brown, has played a few in defence in 2's this season. Jamo to Staker & White on Lisle.
Releases Henderson forward w Waite & Casboult who replaces Warnock. If they go smaller Collins a chance in defence and release Simmo back into midfield.
Kruezer takes on L'Berger. Has the athleticism.
Stop Moloney (Curnow) & Hanley (Armfield) and we win.
Bootsma on a wing. :wink:


Nothing wrong with the logic. Not sure Rowe will be selected and not sure his shoulder is up to it either.

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Rowe ... ud have to think hes gone....

good story!!!.. good to see him battle hades and win for now... but the competition will beat him.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:05 pm 
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club29 wrote:
pew1 wrote:
I got a great idea lets have our ruckman play the mcveoy from saints game and that is the loose man in defence takes the mark and away we go.We cannot leave there fwd line open we must block all avenues and then score on the rebound.Can we do this?


Ditch the press and go back to the great floods of the late 90's early 00's. Teams have killed us with this tactics for years. Always wondered how we would go with doing it ourselves.


Then hurt them with run and quick goals on the rebound.
As other teams do to us

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:48 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Do you think Jamison is more mobile than Laidler?


Yes, but only about twice as mobile as Laidler.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:54 pm 
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Rowe ... ud have to think hes gone....

good story!!!.. good to see him battle hades and win for now... but the competition will beat him.


Quite possibly but as long as you're in the system you have some chance.

Mick likes him but that's not enough. Played well at FB on Saturday, but some weapons were missing.

We have around 8 players that only opportunity can save them from the guillotine come years end and yes, Rowe is one of them........but in the meantime


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:03 pm 
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harker wrote:
Synbad wrote:

Rowe ... ud have to think hes gone....

good story!!!.. good to see him battle hades and win for now... but the competition will beat him.


Quite possibly but as long as you're in the system you have some chance.

Mick likes him but that's not enough. Played well at FB on Saturday, but some weapons were missing.

We have around 8 players that only opportunity can save them from the guillotine come years end and yes, Rowe is one of them........but in the meantime


Hopefully one or two will stand up and surprise. Someone always seems to. A new position or challenge can make a big difference.

Rowe I believe has two options. He can play CHB/FB where I think he is most suited or he can play the "Leigh Brown" type role filling in the ruck and sometimes providing a different option up forward. IMO doesn't have the smarts to be the "man" up forward but could easily fill a workman type role.

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