Visit the past to know the future.

You must look at the past to learn about the present and future.

Is called learning and understanding from experience.
Something this current club had no idea about.

Agonizing over past experience could act as a catalyst to springboard into the future.

For example short term gain long term pain.

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I'm sure Tom would be too...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

then goodbye warnock (assuming we get good value for him).

We'd still have kreuzer+hampson + an early pick or player of need.

Warnock v hampson isnt as clear cut as many think. Neither have been able to contibute a full season due to injuries. Comes down to warnocks ruckwork vs additional flexibility of hampson.

..IF giants are interested in Knockers, what would be fair and what do they have that we want/like..

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So it comes down to Warnocks proven value in 2013 against Kruizers perceived potential undelivered thus far.

If sheedy were to offer just their first pick for Kruiz let alone their full board of selections as he has suggested doing for NicNat Id jump at it.

As for hampson a second round pick would do me just fine.

Id also look at Simpson for an early second round.

Id look at trading

simpson, Kruiz, Laidler, Duigan, hampson, watson, rowe, ellard, AJ...there should be some takers out there

..Krooz has by far out-delivered, as compared to Knockers.. ..and Hampson, as unco as he is, kicked more goals last year than Knockers has in his entire career.. ....Knockers shows potential, but is not anymore proven than the others.. ..in fact with his durability concerns, not proven to be relied upon as 1st ruck since he's so far proven incapable of withstanding the workload without breaking down..

..and Sheedy is talking crap, NicNat is good but no way they'd be throwing an entire year's drafts for him.. ..crazy talk..

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His pace is not a myth, he is very very slow!!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I think the facts show that he has delivered and Kruiz hasnt thus far in 13
I think the facts show that his durability is no worse than Kruiz
I think its a case of facts against perception.
I'm personally glad the perception is still there and i think selection 1 is a great return for that perception, would much rather use an early pick on a gun midfielder and use rookie and poaching to supplement a ruck man when the need arises again. anywhere in the top 5 and id jump at the chance

Look back at the past, learn from mistakes and then move on. Dwelling on the past does more damage than good!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

his perceived value remains whilst he can maintain sustained but slow running, if his knees get to the point where he cant sustain prolonged running then even his perceived value is gone. let him go to an interstate club where he can at least have a chance to play 1st ruck each week and give us a gun midfielder ( if there is one out there) win win... without going over old ground, i think we erred in taking him over cotchin, i suspect even you would take cotchin now in exchange for Kruiz, but also sure no club would swap cotchin for Kruiz today. end of story

When I hear we are going long term and draft 5 kids in a year, I know we are getting somewhere.
If we are going to trade warnock. I want a top 5 and a top 10. He is that important to our side, a 7 ft. We win with him in the side

agreed, but would rather trade Kruiz that Warnock

Kreuzer and Warnock are staying. Hampson is the one who goes. We'll have to pay some of his 2014 wage, but that's ok.

thats fine, i just hope we get something for him

in testing that this has just been posted on AFL.com. a list of free agents at years end

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-21/where-your-clubs-free-agents-are-at apologies if already posted in this thread/elsewhere in forum

Do we keep Megan Gale in this deal?

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Winston Churchill

Don't think we will (nor should) play in the free agent market, based on this list...
The only players I'd be interested in are Daisy Thomas & Buddy.
Buddy - wouldn't want to pay the $$ he would command
Daisy - similarly, if he wants to leave for $$$, I'd leave it. If he wants a change, then great BUT as a restricted free agent, Coll could match the offer so we'd have to pay more than they would (or structure it so...)

I reckon our go is:
- Hang on to round 1 pick (can't see many tradeable players from other teams out there worth first round pick)
- Keep round 2 pick unless great trade available
- Trade players + remaining picks for need
- Need = KPP, more midfielders (we'll be losing at least Judd, Simpson, Carrazzo, Scotland in next 3yrs...)
- Trade for KPP, draft mids, DEVELOP YOUNG'NS!!!!

..slow yes, the myth is that this makes him 'unplayable'.. ..his elite endurance, footy nous and huge work ethic see him having an out-standing balance between his contested and uncontested game.. ..for a man many see as purely a slow inside mid, he sure does get plenty of ball in space as a link up target..

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..in regards to your facts for 2013, i don't think Knockers has been better than Krooz.. ..Krooz was moving fantastically in the first two rounds, getting injured and subbed out early in the 3rd round..

..facts in regards to durability, show that Knockers has played 30 odd games less than Krooz even though he's been in the system 2 more years..

..i think perception see's Knockers as being the first ruck among some, and yet ex-footy players, commentators, coaching staff [of two regimes now] have krooz as 1st ruck, an untouchable, and a player with nothing to prove in regards to ability, work ethic and attitude.. ..Knockers has height over Krooz.. ..their tap-work skill is more even than some realise.. ..Knockers may get a lot more taps due to height, but Krooz is no slouch in the actual tap skill.. ..especially around the ground and boundary throw ins, some of the silver service Krooz gives the mids is exquisite.. ..Knockers has helped the team win many games yes, as has Krooz.. ..Krooz has also won games for us through individual brilliance, more often than Knockers has..

..some of the things Krooz does on the footy field for such a big man are amazing.. ..that swans game in 2011, as an all round ruck and roving game it was up with the very best.... ..but it's also the supposedly simple things he does, that get under-rated.. ..vs port most recently, his assist to Garlett towards the end of the 3rd Q.. ..Krooz picks up a loose ball in traffic in the F50.. ..he has 3 blues he can off-load the quick handball to.. ..he chooses Garlett, the one in the clear and out of the bubble.. ..as soon as he handballs he points and shouts to Jeffy that he's clear in space, and to shoot for goal.. ..plenty of others just handball to the closest player cos they don't have the same vision..

..Krooz is much more than the sum of his parts.. ..he brings an intangible quality to the team, that simply can't be measured in raw stats.. ....being there, watching what he does.. ..he's in the team, it's up to the coaches to get the very best out of him and get team balance..

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