The AFL, not content with the punishment dished out to us, decided to change the priority pick rule to a team has to have 16 premiership points or less for 2 years in a row to qualify. Guess what, at the end of 2005 we had 18 points due to a draw against Port. So in 2006 our priority pick was at the end of th first round in 2006. In 2007 we actually finished 2nd bottom, Richmond finished last, but it was the second year in a row of 4 wins or less for us so we got first pick, hence the Kreuzer cup.

I don't think that's correct AGRO. West Coast were never interested in Paul Bower.

Don't get me started on this one - this piece of crap from the AFL effectively was the draft penalties from Black Friday 2002 all over again.

The pricks basically retrospectively changed the qualification criteria for qualifying for a priority pick midstream whilst we were actually right in the middle of qualifying for it.

Basically there was an uproar from the football community that Collingwood were able to get Priorty Pick in 2005 and got Pendles and Thomas - and we ended up get the shaft.

Shits me no end.

Who knows we may have snagged Joel Selwood with our rightful pick 3.

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My memory was that we offered them Pick 3 & Pick 20 and they said they wanted a player as well and asked for Bower, we said no and then blinked and said OK you can have Kennedy. But happy to stand corrected.

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It's simply about making the tough decisions and getting improvement and depth into our list. MM will do that. He did it at Collingwood and got them into two Grand Finals with a list that had issues.

We have some very talented kids and some players that will be no more than handy foot soldiers. We are need better skills across our list.

Look at it like this, I can pick effectively pick 27 players on our list to take us forward:

B: Tuohy Jamison White
HB: Walker Henderson Gibbs
C: Bootsma Graham Lucas
HF: Garlett Casboult Yarran
F: Betts Waite Menzel
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy

Int from: Carrazzo Armfield Simpson Warnock McInnes Temay Bell McCarthy Ellard

All fit and firing that's a pretty good line up.

Of course a few are debatable but any player I haven't mentioned cannot be assured of being at Carlton next year. The above list has a lot of talent and fills all positions.

The next key is to recruit and add depth and more talent to that list.

Add 3-4 ready made and/or role players and 7-8 talented kids and we looking very good in both the short and long term.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

That didn't happen. Bower talk was all internet stuff that become internet "fact" a few years later.

OK, if this is fact....
IF and I know its only an 'IF', the Priority Pick for 2006 was Pick #1 (and not #17), then Carlton would have enjoyed Picks #1 and #2.
Assuming that GIBBS went at Pick #1, then who would Carlton have chosen at #2?
IF Carlton was after someone in the Hampson mould (Ruck/Forward) then Gumbelton/Hanson/Leunberger went next in the draft.
Assuming Leunberger (Carlton already had a young Kennedy, but no young rucks), instead of Hampson.
In 2007 Carlton would have chosen Cotchin instead of Kreuzer.
Carlton still gets Judd and Armfied, and loses Kennedy and picks 3+20.

So Carlton's engine room is Leunberger, Judd, Murphy, Cotchin... at the expense of Kreuzer and Hampson.

If the Judd deal hadn't happened, then add Masten alongside Murphy/Cotchin and restore Kennedy to CHF.
Thats an awsome lineup.

Quick......someone find my time machine!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Pysch - don't think McLean is on the chopping block, unless he has a serious form slump b/w now and end of the year. He plays the Ball role that Malthouse brought into Collingwood.
I also think Malthouse is having a good effect on Robinson - I thought I saw him even look before kicking the ball... to a teammate... twice

Whoa horsey ... easy boy ... !!

I assume that there was a server delay or something. I hadn't seen your post when I made mine. I was referring, hopefully not too seriously, to the idea of agonising over old trades.

Sheesh.

I think that was part of the TC rumour mill. Was never confirmed as truth and it certainly doesn't sound true.

I'm like Doc. The deal is done. In fact it was done 5 years ago. I'm over rehashing it to be honest.
Too many other things to discuss, like what can we get for Hampson?

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Who know's but my point is they aren't assured of a spot. This time last year McLean was gone then he played some magnificent football to get another contract.

However, this season he has been average and the last few weeks has struggled. The issue is his speed and that the game at the moment is moving away from contested possessions. With the limited interchange next season it will open up more and more.

If he gets another contract next year good luck to him he would of earnt it but at the moment it's not a guarantee.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Yes, I had heard (on here), that when WC asked for a player we offered Bower and they insisted on Kennedy.

I will never, ever regret the Judd trade.

And I agree with the list put above on delisting candidates, we have a lot of dead wood on this list and it will be a big broom brought out this October.

Now we just wait for the obligatory articles.

'Carlton have shown interest in...'
'Carlton will trade their first round draft pick to secure the services of...'
'Carlton now looks to be the likely home for disgruntled forward...'
'Sources close to the Carlton Football Club confirmed yesterday that a baby alpaca was sacrificed to appease the gods in the lead up to this years NAB AFL Draft...'

I've heard we've already done deals with Pavlich, Lockett & Winmar.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Ah yes.. If there was one thing we could count on at 1.45pm on Friday of trade week it was the Pavlich whisper doing the rounds... Good times.

And you can already see the second line in your articles Doc... 'With the Blues receiving significant cap relief via the new Chris Judd deal...'

..Handshakes has had a solid year to date, started strongly and his quieter games by his new standard have also still been solid.. ..and he's a smart footballer, this lack of pace is a myth, it holds true when he's not fit.. ..but running well, he gets plenty of time and space.. .... ..and a more open game actually ties into this for him.. ..interchange cap only further strengthens his running ability..

..i think Hampson could be trade bait, especially if Knockers continues his durability..

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Media are so gullible. Everyone knows that Llama is the sacrifice of choice now.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

JUDD

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dane's trolling again

Would be sad to lose megan gale as part of a hampson trade.
Would we be happy if we got Jennifer & Tom Hawkins in return??