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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:01 pm 
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Honestly thought we had blown it and they were going to overrun us.



Really? I never felt we were going to lose this one, but the final margin was frustrating and flattered Port. Annoying to be so wasteful, but grateful that we won comfortably enough missing many key players and having no injuries.


It was a weird game, it went up and down on the one spot for 3quarters and was underwhelming at best, it looked like two bottom sides playing each other.

I never felt like we were going to get beat, but felt like we were one or two mistakes away from blowing it, like I said weird game, I'm glad that Port were worse than we were.

Will need to lift by 200% to beat Brisbane.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:01 pm 
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Forward line structure better but not great. Kruezer handy when up there but not a permanent option. Waiters mobility makes a diffence as would Henderson. Problem is he is our best defender.
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Glad someone else thought the same, if Hampson kicked 0.4 people would be questioning him.

Can't play 2 rucks let alone 3.



The difference was that Kruezer consistently marked the footy when it came in even if his kicking was off, Hampson just doesn't even get near the footy let alone mark it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:08 pm 
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I thought we really missed Hampson :smoking:


However it was great to see Warnock dominate with 2 kicks and 5 handballs!

oh, and one pack busting mark. :roll: :roll:
Don't know what anyone sees in him



I watched the game on Telly so maybe my perspective is different, but I thought Warnock went alright, did a lot of the one percenters that we sometimes miss, wasn't afraid to get down and dirty below his knees, wasn't a dominant game stats wise, but I think Mick would have been more than happy with his work rate.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:47 pm 
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Really was a game of burst play.
When we all go hard we're quite good and it would dtand out if we kicked straight.
No where near as polished as Hawks, Cats and probably the drug cheats.
I'd expect us to suufocate against Freo and Sydney.

I hope we get better.

Kreuzer will get his marking and kicking right, because it must be embarassing for him.
I reckon he and Waite look mobile and dangerous.

Murphy was on fire. Really enjoyed Judd's efforts too, along with the steadying Scotland.
Walker was good too.

Hendo was superb at times. I actually thought his timing was a bit out today too.
Warnock at least would stop the oppositon dominating.
The McEvoy show last week was a coaching issue more than a Warnock issue imo.
Curnow did a fantastic job and good to see him getting arms cleared with strength to find a team mate by hand and foot or put it to their advantage.

Lucas was average and sane with Brock and Simmo and thought Bell and Cachia looked more accomplished than him.
Loved having that barge ass (Bell) in the guts. Seriously strong as an OX and kicks or sets up goals.

Menzel moves well, seems to have a bit of toe unless that's purely fresh legs vs 3Qtrs of leg fatigue.

Would like to see more of Cachia Bell and Menzel .
Who makes way for Gibbs Carrazzo and Yarran? Then Betts in 2 weeks?

Good to get the 4 points.


Bondi, it was just a win and the kids did ok, but I don't think we are at the stage where we need to worry about fitting 4 experienced front liners into the side.

We had the look and feel of a side with second stringers in, bring the 4 missing players in and we are a 5 to 10 goal better side.

I have one out for you though, LUCAS, the guy is a pea heart and again yesterday refused to put his body on the line and commit to the contest, apart from one marking contest in the last IIRC and should have swallowed the mark, has to go back to Northern and decide if he really wants to play senior footy.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:57 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
Mark J wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
I thought we really missed Hampson :smoking:


However it was great to see Warnock dominate with 2 kicks and 5 handballs!

oh, and one pack busting mark. :roll: :roll:
Don't know what anyone sees in him



I watched the game on Telly so maybe my perspective is different, but I thought Warnock went alright, did a lot of the one percenters that we sometimes miss, wasn't afraid to get down and dirty below his knees, wasn't a dominant game stats wise, but I think Mick would have been more than happy with his work rate.


Robbie was good. I had him in our best. If you're troubled by a ruckman's possessions then I reckon you're in the wrong game. I couldn't care less if he got 0 kicks, 0 handballs. Best ruckman in the competition in my eyes is Mike Pyke. He leads the competition in contested marks. Rated #5 for hitouts to advantage. They're the only stats a ruck coach should care about.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:01 pm 
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I think that we have to Robo for what he is. A grunt player who can play at CHF and in the midfield but will never be elite.


The question needs to be can we be a premiership contender with guys like Robbo in our side?

I think MM will have a major clean out at years end trying to build a premiership list. It's guys like Robbo that will be looked at closely.


I think you are right Psyc, I love Robbo for his endeavor and courage, but I don't think his skills are going to get any better, he is such an unknown, has the capability to to some amazing things, but offsets them with the pure ADD unthinking stuff that he does which kills him, not sure if I would consider cutting him yet, but if Bell keeps coming on as he is Robbo could struggle to get into a fuller strength side.

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blues8182 wrote:
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I think that we have to Robo for what he is. A grunt player who can play at CHF and in the midfield but will never be elite.


The question needs to be can we be a premiership contender with guys like Robbo in our side?

I think MM will have a major clean out at years end trying to build a premiership list. It's guys like Robbo that will be looked at closely.


I think you are right Psyc, I love Robbo for his endeavor and courage, but I don't think his skills are going to get any better, he is such an unknown, has the capability to to some amazing things, but offsets them with the pure ADD unthinking stuff that he does which kills him, not sure if I would consider cutting him yet, but if Bell keeps coming on as he is Robbo could struggle to get into a fuller strength side.


he s one of the few in the team that actually LOVES the physical contest. I reckon its just a maturity thing, he needs to curb his endeavors with some poise. Plenty to work with.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:56 pm 
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DenimUndies wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
McConville33 wrote:

I think that we have to Robo for what he is. A grunt player who can play at CHF and in the midfield but will never be elite.


The question needs to be can we be a premiership contender with guys like Robbo in our side?

I think MM will have a major clean out at years end trying to build a premiership list. It's guys like Robbo that will be looked at closely.


I think you are right Psyc, I love Robbo for his endeavor and courage, but I don't think his skills are going to get any better, he is such an unknown, has the capability to to some amazing things, but offsets them with the pure ADD unthinking stuff that he does which kills him, not sure if I would consider cutting him yet, but if Bell keeps coming on as he is Robbo could struggle to get into a fuller strength side.


he s one of the few in the team that actually LOVES the physical contest. I reckon its just a maturity thing, he needs to curb his endeavors with some poise. Plenty to work with.


Disagree with psy, Cachia is definately worth persisting with as a rookie, his disposal is good & doesn't shirk a contest. agree 8 changes are necessary, most of which have already taken place, hence around 8 less to choose from each week, thats around 25% of our list that arent up-to it. End of year will just formalize the change and replenish with new opportunities. counting down til the clean out.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:03 pm 
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...A lollie and a biscuit every time Carlton kicked a goal today seems to have corrected this. :smile:


Haha, that's brilliant! :clap:

Brilliant.... Am go an try this also... :thumbsup:


Cheers guys.

Carlton kicked a few more goals than I expected ... kids were buzzing by the end of the game. (And there was an additional Kit Kat bar on offer if Carlton won).

I think for the GWS game I might have to make it "every second goal" ... although that might come across as being arrogant and anger the football gods. Sigh ... a supporters life is a challenging one. :smile:


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:22 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
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...A lollie and a biscuit every time Carlton kicked a goal today seems to have corrected this. :smile:


Haha, that's brilliant! :clap:

Brilliant.... Am go an try this also... :thumbsup:


Cheers guys.

Carlton kicked a few more goals than I expected ... kids were buzzing by the end of the game. (And there was an additional Kit Kat bar on offer if Carlton won).

I think for the GWS game I might have to make it "every second goal" ... although that might come across as being arrogant and anger the football gods. Sigh ... a supporters life is a challenging one. :smile:



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:47 pm 
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Only saw the last qtr yesterday

First qtr thoughts:
-Strange HTB against McLean 17:58 left
-Poor miss from Waite 15m out directly in front
-Strange free to Robinson for a goal, then Kreuzer didn't get one when pushed in the back (although dropped his knees a bit)
-Port looked dangerous when they pushed all their forwards up the ground
-2 of our goals from switching across half back - Waite the key taking a mark; handball to Robinson to Bell for a goal; then Murphy's goal.
-Poor effort from Scotland early going back with one hand
-Not great in terms of centre square clearances; was one of the strengths under Ratten
-Nice to hear Schmitt say to Monfries "play on; dived"
-Schulz goal was from a very soft free against Jamison
-Bootsma clean with his possessions.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:48 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Forward line structure better but not great. Kruezer handy when up there but not a permanent option. Waiters mobility makes a diffence as would Henderson. Problem is he is our best defender.
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Glad someone else thought the same, if Hampson kicked 0.4 people would be questioning him.

Can't play 2 rucks let alone 3.



The difference was that Kruezer consistently marked the footy when it came in even if his kicking was off, Hampson just doesn't even get near the footy let alone mark it.


Kreuzer spilled a couple of absolute sitters. I clearly remember two that either bounced of his hands or went straight through his hands. One of them in the goal square. Grabbed a few but still needs to be better. Will take thumb injury into account though

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:52 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
Mark J wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
I thought we really missed Hampson :smoking:


However it was great to see Warnock dominate with 2 kicks and 5 handballs!

oh, and one pack busting mark. :roll: :roll:
Don't know what anyone sees in him



I watched the game on Telly so maybe my perspective is different, but I thought Warnock went alright, did a lot of the one percenters that we sometimes miss, wasn't afraid to get down and dirty below his knees, wasn't a dominant game stats wise, but I think Mick would have been more than happy with his work rate.


Robbie was good. I had him in our best. If you're troubled by a ruckman's possessions then I reckon you're in the wrong game. I couldn't care less if he got 0 kicks, 0 handballs. Best ruckman in the competition in my eyes is Mike Pyke. He leads the competition in contested marks. Rated #5 for hitouts to advantage. They're the only stats a ruck coach should care about.


It's not how many possesions he gets that is an issue. Who wants to go into a game effectivelly one player down?

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:57 pm 
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Robbo is frustrating me more this year than ever before with his lack of composure and just banging it on the boot at every opportunity.
It really seems like he has that under 12's mentality of just kick it as hard as you can. Even when kicking for goal, particularly with snaps, he just tries to kick the cover off it and usually sprays it. He could learn a lot from someone like Jeffy who is so controlled with his snaps and just guides it through.

I do have a theory for Robbo's troubles though. I think he is suffering from the teams ordinary form in general. At no stage this year have we really got our outside running, link up play going like we did through 2010, 2011 in particular and early 2012. We are really struggling to link up a number of clean possessions like we had in years passed, and as a result there's a lot more possessions taken under pressure. Often it seems like we're so close to turning it over with handballs that it's just a relief to throw it on the boot and gain as many meters as possible. We seem to have a really poor understanding of each other when handballing in the packs trying to release the runners.

Not saying it's an excuse but I think it's a part of the reason why he's playing this way

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:06 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
BigKev wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
camelboy wrote:
BigKev wrote:
...A lollie and a biscuit every time Carlton kicked a goal today seems to have corrected this. :smile:


Haha, that's brilliant! :clap:

Brilliant.... Am go an try this also... :thumbsup:


Cheers guys.

Carlton kicked a few more goals than I expected ... kids were buzzing by the end of the game. (And there was an additional Kit Kat bar on offer if Carlton won).

I think for the GWS game I might have to make it "every second goal" ... although that might come across as being arrogant and anger the football gods. Sigh ... a supporters life is a challenging one. :smile:



Ahem, wrong sponsor sir.


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Just thinking, it would be doubly manipulative to give lollies wrapped in blue for each goal, thus associating pleasure with blue. and forcibly give something sour, salty wrapped in black and white or black and red as a disciplinary measure thus associating pain with the scum and filth.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:09 pm 
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couldn't help but notice Kane Mitchell really sparked them up after he came on. Just kept running to make position, he was involved in a large number of their last Q scores in some way or other. has become a specialist sub.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:54 pm 
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how open was port fwd line in that last quat. When are we going to close opp fwdline up when are going to bloody learn i had the feeling that if it was close and a victorian side we would not have won.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:57 pm 
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Murphy, Jeffy, Scotland, Hendo, Waite our best IMO


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:32 pm 
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Ponkstar wrote:
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Just thought i should be the first to mention too that we've actually beaten someone above us on the ladder.

When was the last time we did that?


Round 4 v WC


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Well apart from that when was the last time... :-P


Actually it was our previous win prior to that, against Essendon* in round 21 2012. :wink:


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Hartlett cleared for his two stomach punches and an elbow to Murphy's head.


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