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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:13 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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I'm over the love for Casboult on here...some think he's Lockett

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kkk

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 pm

Harry Vallence

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Those suggesting we should make Waite languish in the 2's this week must think our administration are stupid (and I admit that sometimes it looks that way).

If you wanted Waite out for 2 weeks you challenge the MRP ruling ( 2 weeks and 50 carry-over points). If we win, he gets no suspension and no carryover points.

We accepted the penalty so he got 1 week suspension and 87.5 carry-over points. Now you want us to leave him in the seconds, thus making his penalty (virtually) 2 matches and 87.5 points.

Sorry, but you have no idea.

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The Rhino

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:20 pm

Craig Bradley

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Or the club saves $$$ on a lawyer to defend Waite, and make a bigger statement by saying that we could have argued the charge. But we won't. You'll take the two weeks and like it. Put a dent in the psyche that thinks he's above the same rules the other team members abide by, because he's indispensable to the side.

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Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:29 pm

Harry Vallence

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You don't think we can find a lawyer (probably a SC) to defend one of our players for nothing?

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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:39 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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kkk wrote:

You don't think we can find a lawyer (probably a SC) to defend one of our players for nothing?

Lionel Hutz barracks for Carlton?

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sinbagger

Post subject: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:39 pm

John Nicholls

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:18 pm
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Location: Australia

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

I'm over the love for Casboult on here...some think he's Lockett

No, but he is a better key forward than Hampson, even if that isn't saying much.

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The Rhino

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:41 pm

Craig Bradley

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kkk wrote:

You don't think we can find a lawyer (probably a SC) to defend one of our players for nothing?

I refer you to the record of the one we normally use pro bono...

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sinbagger

Post subject: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:42 pm

John Nicholls

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kkk wrote:

The point is the difference between Waite being judged by the tribunal vs being judged by his teammates and peers.

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in8

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:43 pm

Horrie Clover

Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:25 am
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Probably a bit late to be trying to teach Waite lessons about responsibility. He's 30 years old and is what he is. If making him wait was used to set an example for the rest of the playing group that selfish behaviour onfield will no longer be tolerated I'd be all for it. Would need to be accompanied by increased expectations from the rest of them though or it's a pointless exercise.

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kkk

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:55 pm

Harry Vallence

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sinbagger wrote:

kkk wrote:

The point is the difference between Waite being judged by the tribunal vs being judged by his teammates and peers.

And possibly being available in a big game (maybe a final, unlikely perhaps but maybe a Grand Final, or a game that might get us into the finals) or being suspended.

If he so much as farts with 87.5 points carry-over he'll get 2 games, with 50 points he'll get off with 1.

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The Rhino

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:58 pm

Craig Bradley

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So we're quibbling over whether Waite will be one or two weeks away in the future, hypothetically?

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sinbagger

Post subject: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:07 am

John Nicholls

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kkk wrote:

sinbagger wrote:

kkk wrote:

The point is the difference between Waite being judged by the tribunal vs being judged by his teammates and peers.

We'll never make that 'big game' until we change our culture, and that comes from a strong playing group controlling their own and setting examples, not palming off team discipline to the tribunal.

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kkk

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:10 am

Harry Vallence

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Attention to detail, Rhino.

Probably never happen but 1 per cent chance it might.

Why risk it?

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jake_h03

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:20 am

John Nicholls

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

To everyone who seems to think Waite should have been left out by the leadership group this week I ask you,

Has any team, coach, leadership group EVER imposed an extra week(s) ban for a suspended player in addition to that handed down by the tribunal?

And it doesn't count if it's a fringe player.
This is by far our best key forward in a team that is absolutely screaming for a key forward.
A guy that many believe to be the most important to our team, if not at least in the top 5.

Essendon* last week with Ryder?

I've already been over this, but i'll repost:

Gumbleton had kick 9 goals and 22 marks from his 3 games prior to Ryder not getting selected. He was in great form and didn't deserve to be dropped.

You seen anyone in the key forward ranks racking up those kind of stats for us lately?
They didn't need to bring Ryder back because they have key forward options coming out their ears.
We... Do not.

I'm sure if we had a couple of key forwards playing too well to drop we'd gladly leave Waite out for a week :thumbsup:

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Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:54 am

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:18 am
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:

I'm over the love for Casboult on here...some think he's Lockett

Nah he's not but he provides a contest, can take strong packs marks, crashes them when he doesn't and generally puts in an honest effort, something the guy wearing number 22 hasn't managed to do in 60 odd games. MM stated last Sunday that if Kruz didn't come up Monday then Casbault would be in... Strange that he didn't pick him in the squad this week.

If we play 3 ruckmen again this week it's going to be tough for me to will myself to this game, If I want predictability I can get that by switching on the TV.

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DenimUndies

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:06 am

Harry Vallence

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as a matter of interest, what position has cornes been playing of late?

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The Normal One

Post subject: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:09 am

formerly King Kenny

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm
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The Rhino wrote:

Mitchell?

The same Luke Mitchell's who's played one decent game all year?

Wouldn't need to do much to perform at the level of Hampson at AFL level. I'm sure if he was given 60 games he would clearly surpass anything Hammer has produced also.

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ThePsychologist

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:37 am

formerly cj69

Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am
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Cazzesman wrote:

I think a few are confused about the cause and affect here.

Continue to play poorly and it doesn't work.
Play well and it probably works because it can stretch the defense and stop Waite being double teamed.

The reason the 3 tall's is not working is because only Warnock is contributing at the moment and that is only in the ruck, not around the ground. If the other two can pull their weight, takes some marks and kick some goals then the 3 tall's can work.

It is same with having the 8 onballers. If 80% off them struggle, as they are, then does that mean 8 onballers doesn't work and we should only have 5?

If each players lifts and the team lifts as a cohesive unit, then all might be right with the world.

Regards Cazzesman

You are seriously taking the p!ss.

It's not three TALLS its three RUCKMAN. You need only one. It is a specialist position.

Ruckman aren't forwards or backs or anything else. Up forward they don't move to the right spots are poor below their feet, average contested marks and virtually not existent defensively.

NONE of our 3 Ruckman can play anywhere else but Ruck effectively and for long periods.

The problem is we are having Ruckman fill positions they will NEVER be any good at and it stifles so much flexibility and rotations.

As people like Leigh Mathews and Paul Roos stated during the week it doesnt work and never has.

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Synbad

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:08 am

Bruce Doull

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kkk wrote:

You don't think we can find a lawyer (probably a SC) to defend one of our players for nothing?

simon wilson!!!.... he would have made sure waite gets 4

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buzzaaaah

Post subject: Re: R8: Carlton v Port (pre-match/mega milestone week!)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:31 am

Stephen Kernahan

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Waite's incident was minor. That in itself was challenge-able.
But him getting off for kicking the Richmond players nuts 2 years ago and the bump last year meant he wasn't getting off, even for a meaningless head tap.

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