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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:06 pm 
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Oh and he is not a fan of our previous recruiting profiling.

Don't kid yourselves that he is. He had made it very clear what hr wants.

It's logical anyway!

Cazzesman would know.... It is no huge secret he isn't a fan of what we have been doing in the past.

Hard runners guys that can take Turn through the midfield.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:13 pm 
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DenimUndies wrote:
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Kreuzer is when he is 100%....lifts when it matters in games.



When was the last time he was 100% and how long did that last?


When did he actually lift and win us games. If he has they have been sparse in number. Nowhere near a match winner. Disappointing for a number one draft pick and an important part of our next premiership tilt.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:16 pm 
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I dont worry too much re Kreuzer.

I worry about those who arent mentally strong....

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:35 pm 
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Watching monday night was like watching a ship without a rudder

Leadership at this club has been non existent for years.

I am a strong believer and have hope that Malthouse will lead a change in leadership

Murphy is not a natural leader
Waite's offfield behaviour is a disgrace

So what do you do
You pick the guys that are natural leaders who set the standards and wont except the lowering of standards no matter how high a draft pick they are or if Sticks likes them as players

As I said before I reckon Malthouse will use this year to suss everything out then make some big calls at the end of theyear

Monday night smelt of the old Carlton

what MM said in his letter was bullshit but Mick is keeping the peace
Deep down he looked totally pissed off as he walked off the field Monday

As I have also said Murphy is not the right choice

I still reckon Hendo is the man


Over the low standards and excuses


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:44 pm 
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Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:47 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:51 pm 
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I reckon Brock is the best bet.
Murph isnt leadership material.. it doesnt need to be your best player.
What its done is it has bogged Murph down with unwanted attention and responsibility when he should be free of all that and allowed to concentrate on playing footy.

But the players voted Murph.. not MM.

Mick Malthouse will be taking plenty of notes on the this group and its rationale...he will know he has alot of work to do with them.. they dont understand what the fupp theyre doing!!!

Its the position this group have been left in... Melbourne is abit like that!!!...but worse!!!... the underlying culture is they have no clue what the hell defines them and what must be done... its just a cork bobbing around in the ocean.

My bet is he will change them... he will bend them to what he needs... those that cant bend will be offloaded

a small thing like exercising a punishment on Waite would have pleased him... not coming from him whos a new coach into a culture bubble

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:53 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:



yes psych but there must be a Mike Brealey theresomewhere

Murphy and Simpson are not leaders

once again the club flowers up


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:28 pm 
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keogh wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:



yes psych but there must be a Mike Brealey theresomewhere

Murphy and Simpson are not leaders

once again the club !@#$%& up


No Malthouse !@#$%^ up.
Henderson would have been a perfect captain, but I think I was in the minority.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:33 pm 
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redback wrote:
keogh wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:



yes psych but there must be a Mike Brealey theresomewhere

Murphy and Simpson are not leaders

once again the club !@#$%& up


No Malthouse !@#$%^ up.
Henderson would have been a perfect captain, but I think I was in the minority.


youre in the minorty for sure cos ur one of the very few people who think malthouse appointed the captain...when in fact the majority KNOW.. the players voted...

Anyway... glad to see you come out of the darkness and into the light now....and with the majority who know the process.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:37 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Micks walked into a playing group.
He wants to see what he has here.
He is giving our will give everything and everyone a go.

Yes! Including Watson. He tells them all they're nice and good. That they can play.
That they are in his plans.....

There is nothing not logical about what he has done and doing. He is learning about them.
He doesn't know them... For they are not his sheep.
He has only but inherited them.

You don't understand this or you are pretending?
Answer the question grasshopper.....

He wouldn't know Davis or Joseph's personality and inner being if he tripped over them.

Carlton is an unusual animal in what he has inherited.
Nobody doubts we have some talent even if is out of wack!
What is mystifying is the collective mindset and culture... As well as all the individual idiosyncratic make up of the players.

Ate you following grasshopper?

I should hold tutorials for the slower ones here.... For a fee of course! Line up.

Rattz had them for five years and six games and didn't understand them... and they were his very own creation. He built the team. Many know no other coach.
Five years and six games is an awful long time to understand what you are building.
You achnowledge this yes?

Or is your answer no?


Hold whatever you need but don’t shake it too much.
Just like your logic of smashing St kilda.
How did that go?
Please spare my your amateur psychological crap and spin it somewhere else.

You wanted leadership you got leadership.
He needs to lead and stop passing blame.

Promises the world to get support then back tracks, should be a politician but that would only hurt his hip pocket and incur some scrutiny.
Sheedy could very well be right. The only reason I thought he would have been good for us was to instil some discipline and standard but he has failed every hurdle he has come up against thus far, and don’t even get me started with the way he went about picking our next captain.
How about protecting your new captain the one you picked for our future?
If your players are too stupid to think about it or act on it it’s up to the coach to bring it to their attention.
Oh that’s right he’s building their characters.
He chastises a player that’s not on the ground and blames him for the loss but not for his selections or taking hurt players into the game.
What a leader what a coach.
Maybe after we tank a few times he can build a list he’s “ able” to coach until that time enjoy the ride and process obi wan.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:37 pm 
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Ratten & Sticks are responsible for selecting the captain. It's all their fault.
Oh yeah - sorry this is 2013 with Malthouse in charge. OOPS - sorry the players pick.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:40 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
keogh wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Duigan is the best leader but unfortunately not in our best 22.

Jamison would be good but struggles to stay fit.

I thought Simmo would be a year or two ago but now struggling.

Carrots would be good but busy with Triplets.


Cupboard is fairly bare! :cry:



yes psych but there must be a Mike Brealey theresomewhere

Murphy and Simpson are not leaders

once again the club !@#$%& up


No Malthouse !@#$%^ up.
Henderson would have been a perfect captain, but I think I was in the minority.


youre in the minorty for sure cos ur one of the very few people who think malthouse appointed the captain...when in fact the majority KNOW.. the players voted...

Anyway... glad to see you come out of the darkness and into the light now....and with the majority who know the process.



You must have a tremendous migrane by now.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:41 pm 
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redback wrote:
Hold whatever you need but don’t shake it too much.
Just like your logic of smashing St kilda.
How did that go?
Please spare my your amateur psychological crap and spin it somewhere else.

You wanted leadership you got leadership.
He needs to lead and stop passing blame.

Promises the world to get support then back tracks, should be a politician but that would only hurt his hip pocket and incur some scrutiny.
Sheedy could very well be right. The only reason I thought he would have been good for us was to instil some discipline and standard but he has failed every hurdle he has come up against thus far, and don’t even get me started with the way he went about picking our next captain.
How about protecting your new captain the one you picked for our future?
If your players are too stupid to think about it or act on it it’s up to the coach to bring it to their attention.
Oh that’s right he’s building their characters.
He chastises a player that’s not on the ground and blames him for the loss but not for his selections or taking hurt players into the game.
What a leader what a coach.
Maybe after we tank a few times he can build a list he’s “ able” to coach until that time enjoy the ride and process obi wan.


Ratten's fault RB. Get with the program. Poor Malthouse has to clean the crap left behind .... just like Ratten had to do with Pagan's list, etc.....get with the program. Malthouse isn't responsible and won't be for the next 3 years.
Well not atleast until we tank and start recruiting properly because we just don't have enough class in the side ....... still!!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:49 pm 
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redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Micks walked into a playing group.
He wants to see what he has here.
He is giving our will give everything and everyone a go.

Yes! Including Watson. He tells them all they're nice and good. That they can play.
That they are in his plans.....

There is nothing not logical about what he has done and doing. He is learning about them.
He doesn't know them... For they are not his sheep.
He has only but inherited them.

You don't understand this or you are pretending?
Answer the question grasshopper.....

He wouldn't know Davis or Joseph's personality and inner being if he tripped over them.

Carlton is an unusual animal in what he has inherited.
Nobody doubts we have some talent even if is out of wack!
What is mystifying is the collective mindset and culture... As well as all the individual idiosyncratic make up of the players.

Ate you following grasshopper?

I should hold tutorials for the slower ones here.... For a fee of course! Line up.

Rattz had them for five years and six games and didn't understand them... and they were his very own creation. He built the team. Many know no other coach.
Five years and six games is an awful long time to understand what you are building.
You achnowledge this yes?

Or is your answer no?


Hold whatever you need but don’t shake it too much.
Just like your logic of smashing St kilda.
How did that go?
Please spare my your amateur psychological crap and spin it somewhere else.

You wanted leadership you got leadership.
He needs to lead and stop passing blame.

Promises the world to get support then back tracks, should be a politician but that would only hurt his hip pocket and incur some scrutiny.
Sheedy could very well be right. The only reason I thought he would have been good for us was to instil some discipline and standard but he has failed every hurdle he has come up against thus far, and don’t even get me started with the way he went about picking our next captain.
How about protecting your new captain the one you picked for our future?
If your players are too stupid to think about it or act on it it’s up to the coach to bring it to their attention.
Oh that’s right he’s building their characters.
He chastises a player that’s not on the ground and blames him for the loss but not for his selections or taking hurt players into the game.
What a leader what a coach.
Maybe after we tank a few times he can build a list he’s “ able” to coach until that time enjoy the ride and process obi wan.


As an only child which i assume you are... you do not understand leadership...

How does leadership grow if the coach is involved in everything?
If he directs everything... LEadership also happens on the ground.. in the heat of the battle...!!!
Which is where we are so often found lacking!!!
Its also up to the players to grow some cohones

We had leadership people come and talk to us... problem is ... there is no leadership from Sticks and Ratten...
So they have learnt nothing!!!

How do i know there is no leadership from Ratts and Sticks in the past?
Well they have been unaccountable...
Sticks stays on ... not taking any responsibility in where were at.. and his appointments and st uff ups.
Ratten blamed Journeyman Curnow and in another instance Hampson for losses.. he never ut his hand up.
He spoke about kind of lines in the sand.

Were a very mollycoddled club at Carlton.. and MM is seen stupidly by some people as an outsider... he needs these players to stand up and take some responsibility themselves and of course up the standards.

His first year his hands are tied.. he will not try to rock the unique culture and special set of circumstances we have craeted or ourselves.

End of year things will change.. when he is accustomed to what is there .. and theyre accustomed to him more.

Surrey must be another only child too i assume?
Before we get upset about my wild guessed.. i think you initiated discussion in your all your wisedom of Solomon.. that you display before us time and time again... attempting to prove to us that you indeed are a visionary of sorts and understand the goings on at the club??

You impress me i must say...in that you have very little grasp in what we have before us currenty.. and where were at.

Of course i know what we should have done to StKilda... in order to not have repeats time and time again of clubs thining they can spoil our party.

As for psychology.. i did study it *abit*.. i dropped out cos of the huge aount of statsistics involved.. but i can assure you the theory bit i was pretty good at.... the stats got me...

Never good at stats ....i wont lie i am no great Ratten type of mathematician...

But i do have a very good understanding of what makes people tick.. i reckon i have you pegged out...!!! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:54 pm 
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From the president down to the old coach... we lack leadership
We lack honesty
We lack accountability.. the players are following the norm.. its habit!!!

Now they will be forced to grow the fupp up and work things out by themselves...

If they dont have the answers and come up short.. they then will have to follow a pretty authoritarian design.. one which will hurt!!!.. but having no answers themselves.. they will have to follow!!!

So for many of them its a case of sink or swim!!!

Their choice...!!!

They could have started with addressing the kinds of standards needed by leaving Waite out of the team against Port.

They didnt.. if Waite flowers up again... who is to blame?
Waite alone or the lot of them???

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:lol: :lol: :lol: I need to grab a dictionary or maybe even a thesaurus or something just not sure what yet to understand any of that ..... back shortly, I think .... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:59 pm 
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Oh and you guys are totally missing the point...!!!

Mick Malthouse has been appointed to get results over 3 seasons...not 10 weeks..!!!

The water is contaminated in the fish bowl... he will need everybody who is oblivious to this to first achnowledge it .. and then will come the inevitable changes ....

by just forcing change when noone believes its needed he will be in a neild world of pain... or a Pagan world of pain.

Culture needs to be understood...!!!
An outsider can see it.. insiders usually are imune to toxic culture...

You can give me $50 for that lesson... the pair of you...!!!.. you and surrey!!!
Cos this is class club rebuilding 101
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Malthouse isnt stupid!!!... he isnt gunna cop what Pagan copped to change the culture.

I ALREADY KNOW he will be asking for a lot more next year.....

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:00 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I need to grab a dictionary or maybe even a thesaurus or something just not sure what yet to understand any of that ..... back shortly, I think .... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Take as long as you like Surrey.. im sure its already been around or close to 50 years for you????

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Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I need to grab a dictionary or maybe even a thesaurus or something just not sure what yet to understand any of that ..... back shortly, I think .... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Take as long as you like Surrey.. im sure its already been around or close to 50 years for you????


:lol: :lol: :lol: sorry I just cant stop laughing at the last few posts, classic :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:


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