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jake_h03
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:29 pm 
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And also get Tom Bell in FFS.
Enough's enough. Sick of these soft prima donna type footballers who play without heart.
I know Bell has some deficiencies. But his deficiencies can be improved much easier than half the guys out there tonight.

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WOW
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I'm yet to see Murphy play a great game as captain.


Agree. I would have preferred Carrots with Jamo as VC. Let Murph be a gun midfielder. Was a bad start to the year that decision.


Agree

I remember when Collingwood chose Maxwell as it's captain and most people laughed. A good lesson for the Carlton football club.
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limestone
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:29 pm 
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Dominator7 wrote:
Out coached early; predictable long bombs; lack of true forward

Funny, game turned around when 3 big men warnock, hampson and hendo started to win their position.

Waite- should feel responsible for letting team down. We win if he plays.


Nearly through the remote through the tv when they showed Waite sitting in the stands
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Synbad
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frank dardew wrote:
yes agreed -lets pick out lucas when apart from 1 or 2 the rest were deplorable - how about have a crack at Jarrad im so selfish waite or Eddie breaking someones jaw off the play - lucas was bad agreed but he had about 18 other mates
No I haven't changed when they are deplorable I call it - like I did when we lost to Richmond -tonight was completely incompetent unprofessional in all ways - yarran wasn't fit yet plays -everyone in Australia bar our coaching team thought playing 3 ruckman was going to be a problem -our best forward tall gets suspended for headbutting and misses his 6th match of the season

only one laughing tonight is Ratts who knows that these players continually let you down and they can and will do it to the messiah coach as well

Lucas as an early pick is the lifeline to future success... a piss pooor weak footballer means your future is crap...

Im not going to bag the 5 rookie midfield we have who show more fight than Lucas... ill bag Lucas' recruitment.. AND Watsons!!!

Thats 2 first round picks gone to the dogs!!!

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jake_h03
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SurreyBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
We REALLY missed gibbs tonight. A bit of effing poise with the ball. Non existent tonight


What we missed were players refusing to put their head over the contested ball. Time and time again when the ball was at a 50/50 contest our guys refused to put the head over the ball and win it. :mad:


That too.
And a forward who can take a mark. (Hendo in the last quarter the exception)
And some mids who can kick to advantage.
And some forwards who can man up a kick in
And And And And And

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kezza
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:34 pm 
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Just home from the game, havent read all the previous pages but think i can guess what is being said.
Cant expect to play one good quarter and win, although we nearly did.
Cannot play 3 rucks again.
MM was outcoached tonight, full credit to St Kilda.
We looked slow, went in with injured players.
I think Betts is in trouble.
Great goal by Walker, not much else to get excited about.
I dont know what it is about St Kilda, we always struggle against them.
Milne is a little turd.
So disappointing, thought we were over this crap.
Armfield can hold his head up as can McLean.
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The Professor
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:34 pm 
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I watched the three quarter time huddle very closely. Saw our skipper Murph on the back edge of one side of the huddle and our vice captain Simmo on the back corner almost behind Malthouse on the otherside.

Now I later discovered that Simmo started on the pine in the last which unfortunately explains his actions.

He spent the entire 3/4 time break with his head in the air looking around grabbing some water, pouring it on his head - then fixing his hair - then looking up in the sky some more then getting some more water on his hair and fixing it again. then slowly jogged off to the bench for the start of the last....


only a little thing but boy do we lack leaders!!!! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AS$ SIMO!
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jake_h03
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What to do with Kreuzer?
Warnock seems a better ruckman, but Kreuzer is ordinary anywhere else, and pretty much useless as a key forward.

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aramari
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Synbad you should know this team better than the over the top hyperbole pre-game. St Kilda are average but they played disciplined and organised footy for 3 quarters tonight.

Carlton were lazy early and rattled by a few early injuries. The team were in utter disarray and were Melbournesque in incompetence there for a while.
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SurreyBlue
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I thought Henderson's efforts against Riewoldt in the 1st half were terrible. Jamo did better with 1 arm!
He is a better forward than backman though. We in a conundrum with where to play Hendo currently.
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Pafloyul
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Synbad wrote:
Ok just a few points
*Malthouse will know what Lucas is all about.
*We have a bunch of rookies in the most important part of the ground the midfield... lets look at this.... Carrazzo/Ellard/Curnow/Bell/Cachia/Lucas (Might as well be a rookie)... but we have 10 hbfers in the reserves all fighting for the 2 hbfer spots for Preston.....
*Talls are crap....and are not coming through
*Will be forced to play without 2 of our small forwards next week (Yarran will not play and Betts likely to get a couple)
*Will never play with 3 ruckmen again ... which is a good thing.
*Will need to play a smarter gameplan using more agile small forwards than big blokes who cant play.
*Back to Lucas.. he is the biggest down hill skier in the !@#$%& world!!!... and not only that but he has super pox skills...!!I cannot believe this is what we came up with , with an early pick and chances are high that he will be gone along with Watson McCarthy and Mitchell.. and thats a recruiting WIPEOUT!!!!


It wouldn't surprise me if most of that was due to a self-fulfilling prophesy. The snowball effect in action.

Our recruiting reeks of a lack of composure creating lack of ambition creating a lack of composure creating lack of ambition creating... then we crack. In other words, too obsessed with the preceding season's losses in trying to evaluate who would be good for us and too scared to bomb out completely. We also have a hording mentality with the players we already have as well. How can you develop players when you draft too few that have the attributes worth developing in the first place? A small handfull of softies and flashy types (but very few talls) at the top end and the rest in flawed workhorses and recycles.

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Synbad
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:41 pm 
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At some stage this team must stand up... for as long as it continues to sit down... shit teams will continue lining up to kick us.

Simple as that.....

So off against Port we go... will they come out and do the basics and smash them ... or will they be lairs and tardily get pressured to wilt???

heads on sticks against shit clubs... make no mistake StKilda is shit.....!!!...

Id love to see Sticks head on a Stick too....how are we travelling under his guide..????

On field off field...off field on field..... leaders on and off... off and on...

This club needs clear direction..!!!

First drop Lucas and then kick out Sticks!!!.... Bro ck should be captain!!!...

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jim
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
yes agreed -lets pick out lucas when apart from 1 or 2 the rest were deplorable - how about have a crack at Jarrad im so selfish waite or Eddie breaking someones jaw off the play - lucas was bad agreed but he had about 18 other mates
No I haven't changed when they are deplorable I call it - like I did when we lost to Richmond -tonight was completely incompetent unprofessional in all ways - yarran wasn't fit yet plays -everyone in Australia bar our coaching team thought playing 3 ruckman was going to be a problem -our best forward tall gets suspended for headbutting and misses his 6th match of the season

only one laughing tonight is Ratts who knows that these players continually let you down and they can and will do it to the messiah coach as well

Lucas as an early pick is the lifeline to future success... a piss pooor weak footballer means your future is crap...

Im not going to bag the 5 rookie midfield we have who show more fight than Lucas... ill bag Lucas' recruitment.. AND Watsons!!!

Thats 2 first round picks gone to the dogs!!!


on the other hand it meant we could've picked Talia, filling a key defensive post, which would've allowed us to pick Jack Darling then instead of Watson. Wouldn't we have been so much better off.

Theoretical I know but still.....
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jim
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:45 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
What to do with Kreuzer?
Warnock seems a better ruckman, but Kreuzer is ordinary anywhere else, and pretty much useless as a key forward.



One ruckman and Casboult IMO works best looking at last season. Just have to work out which ruckman we'll choose if we went that way.
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Centenaryblue
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:46 pm 
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Henderson forward from now on please.
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mots
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:47 pm 
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We should have picked Talia, Jim. That was a bad mistake.
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Synbad
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It doesnt matter.. anyone would be better than the crappy duo....
Thats just club killing.... trading off early picks ... and then not making the ones u keep work for you ............kills you!!!

Yes i know C azzeman gets upset with me.. its easy for me to blah blah blah..... BUT recruiters get paid money to recruit to the clubs advantage..... and some do it better than others...
Managing lists is the same.....

Hoe come we have half our midfielders come through the rookie draft.(with not uch in the reserves).. but we have a whole gaggle of half.... half back flankers with all kinds of national draft picks???... and even trades!!!... i wanna know the answer!!!

footy managers and recruiters are accountable.....!!!

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Rod Waddell
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Was right about Warnock - the only one who shows some semblance of a ruck man

Thought we would struggle again on a Monday night again at Etihad again against St K and was proved correct - I know my club well.

The worship of Kreuzer has to stop. Why was he rushed back when he's missed games? Is he a bona fide champ like sticks? jezza? How he has regressed. Showed more in his first & second years. Cactus since he did his knee. Slow lumbering player.

We should trade both Kreuzer & Hampson. Why keep them? What are they offering the team?

Go for another ruck from another team or try a mature age one from the WAFL or VFL

Lucas has improved but I am afraid he may never overcome his aversion to a contest. Makes Gibbs look like Joel Selwood.

Just so bloody predictable that milleara, saad & Milne would get a bit of the pill.

How does a Geary get away with throwing his weight around. Do we have no pride? The guy is a flowering lemon.

Port next week will be tough.
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Effes
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Synbad wrote:
*We have a bunch of rookies in the most important part of the ground the midfield... lets look at this.... Carrazzo/Ellard/Curnow/Bell/Cachia/Lucas (Might as well be a rookie)...


You can get some ripper mids in the second round; types like Hannebery.

We need to focus on those types.

a) Win their own footy
b) Good endurance
c) Good kicks - for an inside player Hannebery is an excellent kick.

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Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
*We have a bunch of rookies in the most important part of the ground the midfield... lets look at this.... Carrazzo/Ellard/Curnow/Bell/Cachia/Lucas (Might as well be a rookie)...


You can get some ripper mids in the second round; types like Hannebery.

We need to focus on those types.

a) Win their own footy
b) Good endurance
c) Good kicks - for an inside player Hannebery is an excellent kick.


should be a norm smith medallist

was robbed

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