Lucas couldn't get onto the park for half of his first 3 years with serious hamstring injuries

I think he's been way more than servicible this year so far, only thing that will stop him from getting even better is another serious injury.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

All due respect Psych, but what exactly did you take out of McCarthy's game today?

I was almost in tears for his efforts today. He's O.K without an opponent but got smashed in everything else today.
That one handed fist out when alone in the forward pocket sealed his day for me. Terrible game of the highest of scales. Sad really.

I meant Lucas has much more to offer us than Chambers did.

Typical Lucas game last night for me. Got the ball a lot, caused most of us there to groan a lot.

Lucas is one of those players where you need to be at the game to judge him properly. You need a wide angle lens to see what hes doing off the ball, and what he does when the ball leaves the vicinity.

His real strength is his ability to get the ball. He finds himself in space a hell of a lot, so he knows where to run, and he does run hard. A lot of our players do get lazy and dont run hard enough to present an option. Lucas presents a lot, and gets the ball kicked to him a lot. This is a talent.

The groans are caused by his poor decision making, his poor kicking, his poor tackling, and his lack of intensity at the opposition. As soon as the ball is in an opponents hands 3 metres away he gives up the chase. I reckon much of the effort stuff can be corrected. His kicking not so sure. His decision making can be dealt with through intensive coaching. He's one of those players that needs to be told "dont think, do" When you get the ball here you do this, when you get the ball there you do that. Drilling.

I thought his game yesterday was quite OK and he provided a nice link on a number of occasions. It was a very open game so it suited him.

I thought we started to leak defensively once Gibbs was subbed off. Wondering how the game would've played out had we subbed Hammer instead.

I loved our intensity on the contested possession, which is where they carved us up last year. Dangerfield looks significantly smaller these days... I guess the peptides are wearing off, however we still need to have some significant time during training looking at tackling. Too many don't stick and it's immensely frustrating. I did, however, love Zac 'Quadzilla' Tuohy's tackle on that big ruckman of their's as he was running down the wing.

If Lucas is using his hamstring inuries as his excuse to be the player he is... he better walk now.
Now i ask some of you guys.... does he have the stiffy to play finals footy?
Does he have the mental capacity or the footy brilliance???

Now is he doesnt... lets not worry too much about him till he gets fair dinkum.. and if he survives the cut this year .. he better go away and work on his skills and body and dont bother coming back till there is an improvement.

He really is not a guy that can play finals and hold up his end....

the good teams let these kinds of guys go.... they dont hold on to them and refer back to inuries in 2010.. thats ridiculous~
When their injured players are retained.. its cos they have shown mental strength...

Lucas the way he is atm cannot be relied upon in finals footy challenges!!

And thats not what we need!!!

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pretty sure we all get that you don't rate lucas by now

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Lucas is the reason ...for everything

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No... things like Lucas are the reason ... for everything....

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So talk about the "things like Lucas" rather than Lucas.

I've watched a shitload of very ordinary footballers become 150-200 game players after very ordinary starts to their careers.

Lucas may or may not make it but for the moment the advances since he got a new coach are significant and whilst he's still got a long way to go there's the possibility that Mick might be able to turn him into a handy footballer.

I don't think there are too many people who aren't wondering about our drafting and development over the last few years but to excessively focus on one player who may or may not make it given the right conditions (which he hasn't had until now) undermines your argument (which is usually stronger than it is at the moment).

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Lucas and Watson are the epitomy of whats wrong with us.
Terrible drafting
Shit development
And piss weak attitude .

Last week i watched the bullants and kept an eye on 4 or 5 players instead of the game.. i was more interested in focussing on the following players.. Bell.. McCarthy.. Watson..Mitchell... Casboult in particular and then bits and pieces on Duigs and Laidler.
Bell cheated... and ran some weak patterns...!!!...not fit enough!!!
Watson was pants .. what was more [REDACTED] up than using a pick on a terrible footballer.. was at one stage he was deep in defence and a press was on so everyone was moving forward... Watson was jogging to position further up the ground .. with his head leaning forward aand his eyes on the grass at his feet...!!....scary!!!

Now i have a problem with guys who are not focussed...!!!.. i see Lucas as a guy who is jogging on the spot also....even though he can run.

Players need to get fair dinkum as does the club....

And GWS ive seen a hell of alot of average players get delisted than average players you have seen play 150 games

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In this thread you can Lucas...and in other threads you can Ratten and the club for poor development. Confused.

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Yeah Ratten should have been sticking his size 10 boot in a few asses instead of allowing players to get away with being softer than a 90 year old mans cock!!!
These are shit habits... !!... i want them stopped!!!
Doing the easy thing and not the team thing.

Armfield isnt a big guy.... but hes the guy i want in our team in a final... and how he plays he trains.. and how he trains he plays.. its why he improves!!!

You just know the guy is working on deficiencies away from the club...Tuohy the same!!!.. McLean same... guys that shouldnt be doing it are.. and guys that should be arent!!!

Leadership of themselves!!!...

Ratten never addressed players flaws.. and certain players were happy enough to not also!!

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Badman you know you are struggling when GWS drops you.

Regards Cazzesman

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So why not let Mick try to stop them?

The kid's playing much better football than he has previously.

There's something to work with.

Ratten couldn't help him but maybe Mick can.

Let it play out.

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I'm happy to tell him when he's full of shit.

Same with you.

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jake

have a look at every game this round and last round and the one before and you'll see every team's midfielders go for territory every time when under pressure and no other option.

Robbo is at the coal face. He's not only an inside player he gets inside that areatoo and gets into the opposition's soul. He gets them, then gets the ball from places others fear to tread and he gets out of that situation with a disposal at hand. He has noone to pass it too, let alone time and space, and that's what happens.

The rest is perception.

Robbo is a machine, and yes we would all like him to handball it to a player in better position but noone's there: Judd tagged, Murphy tagged, Carrazzo tagging and Simmo's been so out of form he hasn't been in there....and he's getting a ball ahead of the oppositon who would be taking it away if he didn't do the stuff he does.

I understand that you're a fan...just the glass is half full plus some when talking about Robbo.

20 plus clearances against the Corws and we won by 5 goals 2.

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20 plus contested possessions.

I thought I read that in the Age today????? Before the first coffee perhaps...on an iphone

How many?

I'm sure Robbo got a fair few which is typical of him.

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