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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:26 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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The Judd deal was and still is a good one for both clubs... us marginally in front imo

The fact that we haven't found anyone to replace Kennedy in the past five years is down to club drafting/trading/development incompetence

As for Judd's new contract... he's been very well looked after so far... he needs to give back a little now


Maybe marginally in front today but what has Kennedy achieved in 5 years?

Not much.

Over the 5 years weve had Judd he's been a Charlie winner ,AFL MVP, the face Of the club and a major factor in changing the culture. It's not even close.
Armfield is better than Notte and Masten as well.

Kennedy will be a good player for the next 5, but we didn't need a Kennedy we needed a Judd.



:thumbsup: However Kennedy would be handy right now.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:39 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Hornet wrote:
The Judd deal was and still is a good one for both clubs... us marginally in front imo

The fact that we haven't found anyone to replace Kennedy in the past five years is down to club drafting/trading/development incompetence

As for Judd's new contract... he's been very well looked after so far... he needs to give back a little now


Maybe marginally in front today but what has Kennedy achieved in 5 years?

Not much.

Over the 5 years weve had Judd he's been a Charlie winner ,AFL MVP, the face Of the club and a major factor in changing the culture. It's not even close.
Armfield is better than Notte and Masten as well.

Kennedy will be a good player for the next 5, but we didn't need a Kennedy we needed a Judd.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:44 pm 
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cimm1979 is on the money, i think kennedy is so overated, he hasnt done much compared to judd in the last 5 years and even this year i would still take judd, if we had a decent chf or waite played over 8 games it would be very different


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:35 pm 
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cimm1979 is on the money, i think kennedy is so overated, he hasnt done much compared to judd in the last 5 years and even this year i would still take judd, if we had a decent chf or waite played over 8 games it would be very different

Ahhh if only its only about the last 5 years ......but last year juddy wasnt much ... so its 4 years.... if only it WAS a bout those FOUR years.

I hope its a lesson to us about selling the farm for a messiah

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:49 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Yeah we didnt have to take Masten, we might have taken Morton or Myers


Of course, but then again the s*** wouldn't have stuck then, either. :cool:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:32 pm 
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people have rocks in their head if they don't think Judd has been great for our club. I would still take that deal in a heartbeat. Remember we were an absolute laughing stock from 2002-07. Desperately needed a champion player at the time and he has delivered. It's not his fault that we have been unable to find a key forward since Fev. And as we have seen in many instances early draft picks don't always deliver successful results. Melbourne is a good example of that.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:00 pm 
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people have rocks in their head if they don't think Judd has been great for our club. I would still take that deal in a heartbeat. Remember we were an absolute laughing stock from 2002-07. Desperately needed a champion player at the time and he has delivered. It's not his fault that we have been unable to find a key forward since Fev. And as we have seen in many instances early draft picks don't always deliver successful results. Melbourne is a good example of that.

Its about premierships.... not winning an eliminational final.
We relied too heavily on Judd for the clubs good.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:26 pm 
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Was great again tonight apparently.

Lucky to have him. Make sure we keep him.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:29 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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people have rocks in their head if they don't think Judd has been great for our club. I would still take that deal in a heartbeat. Remember we were an absolute laughing stock from 2002-07. Desperately needed a champion player at the time and he has delivered. It's not his fault that we have been unable to find a key forward since Fev. And as we have seen in many instances early draft picks don't always deliver successful results. Melbourne is a good example of that.

Its about premierships.... not winning an eliminational final.
We relied too heavily on Judd for the clubs good.


I don't think Kennedy would have delivered us a premiership. In fact with our recruiting and player development over the last few years, we would have struggled to make finals without Judd. Good chance we would have been still languishing towards the bottom end of the table.

Agree that we have relied too heavily on Judd but that's not his fault. Considering where we were in 2007, at least we became competitive again. The club should have taken more advantage of what Judd was bringing to the table.

Anyway a new era has begun and hopefully Malthouse can set us up properly for a tilt at the flag in the next few years.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:34 pm 
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Delivered is a premiership already?
No but he would hav e another 5 seasons to try... and one guy necer delivers anyone a premiership....
Were more ikely now in the next 5 seasons than the last 5....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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people have rocks in their head if they don't think Judd has been great for our club. I would still take that deal in a heartbeat. Remember we were an absolute laughing stock from 2002-07. Desperately needed a champion player at the time and he has delivered. It's not his fault that we have been unable to find a key forward since Fev. And as we have seen in many instances early draft picks don't always deliver successful results. Melbourne is a good example of that.

Its about premierships.... not winning an eliminational final.
We relied too heavily on Judd for the clubs good.


That was then and this is now.

No point punting Judd to retirement for past mistakes.

He could and should play another 4 seasons.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Synbad wrote:
WOW wrote:
people have rocks in their head if they don't think Judd has been great for our club. I would still take that deal in a heartbeat. Remember we were an absolute laughing stock from 2002-07. Desperately needed a champion player at the time and he has delivered. It's not his fault that we have been unable to find a key forward since Fev. And as we have seen in many instances early draft picks don't always deliver successful results. Melbourne is a good example of that.

Its about premierships.... not winning an eliminational final.
We relied too heavily on Judd for the clubs good.


That was then and this is now.

No point punting Judd to retirement for past mistakes.

He could and should play another 4 seasons.

hahaha
the way the game is played now... juddy isnt the player he was.. hes a mere mortal.. and needs to do the work to survive.
especially on heavy contracts money wise.

i cant see 4 seasons in him... no way!!!...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:44 pm 
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we were too Fevcentric - then too Juddcentric - now we are more teamcentric

Juddy's one of 22 soldiers who has a team role to fulfill - he'll be offered a deal based on the output he's expected to deliver


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:21 pm 
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I'd wait until years' end to sign Judd. Be nice if MM could have the whole season to ascertain who goes and who stays, who gets traded and who we target in free agency....there's no hurry to do this deal. Having said that, Paul Connors probably has plenty on us - so the deal will get done on his and his clients terms.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:23 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Paul Connors probably has plenty on us - so the deal will get done on his and his clients terms.


This

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:20 pm 
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Plenty on us in what way?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:32 pm 
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Does Connors have a favourite racehorse???

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:43 pm 
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Channel 7 news had a report that Judd will accept a 40% reduction in a new contract so the club can pursue a free agent.
It said he wants a one year deal and will be finalized in the coming months.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:10 pm 
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yeah good news.
bad news is the report said were gunna go after daisy

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:13 pm 
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You only have to look at Melbourne to realise that young players, no matter how talented, don't develop without strong senior support around them. It's easy to look at Marc Murphy now and say we didn't really need Judd because he didn't take us to the pinnacle and now it's the next gen who are taking us there. But Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, etc wouldn't be the players they are today without Judd taking the attention of opposition coaches and their taggers, and Judd showing them how a true champion and professional plays the game.

Judd was a godsend to the club. If we win a premiership within the next 5-10 years, with or without Judd, we will owe him a massive debt of gratitude.


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