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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:38 pm 
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Happy with the win but felt we needed to win by a minimum of 10 goals given our large domination of the match and their loss of Walker.

Some observations:

Hampson's 7th year in the system and apart from a handful of good games (the Richmond game of a few years ago springs to mine) is not going to make it. He has no idea of how to play the game. What annoyed me the most of his performance yesterday (it may have occurred in the 3rd qtr) was his search of his boot after it had come off before the ball had crossed the boundary line and gone dead!

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.

Hendo was second to the ball against Rutten! Surely he is carrying an injury?

Plenty of work to be done.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:38 pm 
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Happy with the win but felt we needed to win by a minimum of 10 goals given our large domination of the match and their loss of Walker.

Some observations:

Hampson's 7th year in the system and apart from a handful of good games (the Richmond game of a few years ago springs to mine) is not going to make it. He has no idea of how to play the game. What annoyed me the most of his performance yesterday (it may have occurred in the 3rd qtr) was his search of his boot after it had come off before the ball had crossed the boundary line and gone dead!

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.

Hendo was second to the ball against Rutten! Surely he is carrying an injury?

Plenty of work to be done.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:39 pm 
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Odd thing is the club is saying their premiership tilt is done now but the supporters are in disagreement and are calling on Paddy and Co. To step up

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:41 pm 
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Ill take Yarrans effectiveness 100% of the time over Lucas Mr Cazz.
Lucas has too much going against him.
Soft, cant kick, cant tackle and has terrible smarts.
He can run and has endurance... ts the only reason hes in ...
Cos if youre looking in the reserves... the Bullants midfield is Markon / Lambert/Cachia etc.With Ellard.. who actually idnt spend alot of time there.

What IS in our reserves is a bunch of half back flanker types... and we dont need them atm..

Laidler
Duigan
Dale played there last week.
Bootsma
McArthy
Watto
Joseph joins their bulging ranks this week.
McIness is out with a knee

Its why Lucas is in the side...!!!
Yarran is in the side because he is electric.. its why you shouldnt point to stats at every chance


And you shouldn't write off players as easily as you do. And yet you continue to do so. Lucas will continue to improve under MM and I have little doubt will be 150+ game player so you might have to get use to him. I know you are just after a whipping boy for 2013.

I have no idea what the list of HBF's and VFL onballers has to do with Lucas.

Regards Cazzesman



Lucas is a fourth year player picked in the mid first round Mr Cazz
And yet his deficiencies are glaring.

The only way he will play 150 games is if we continue drafting hbfer types who are kicking dew off the grass at Cramer street.
Thats what he has to do with it all.. if we didnt have a team of hbfers in the ressies and we had been taking mids.. wed have an option to leave out Lucas atm... but if you go along to the reserves... youd find Preston players dominating the midfield in our reserves.
And cos we dont have options... Lucas stays....
Thats how Lucas is linked with our overabundance of average hbfers in the ressies.... its a very clear line... !!(I thought it was obvious)
Lucas would struggle to make the side in any of the other teams in the eight...


Yeah, Nah the only obvious thing is your need for a whipping boy. Sadly it's in your nature.

You'd rather denigrate that encourage. That's okay we all get it.

I'm not 100% sure your opinion about who would or wouldn't get into any of the top 8 sides counts for much in the grand scheme of things.

Regards Cazzesman



Oh so if our club could get that pick back again.. they would go BAANG!!!! LUCAS PLEASE!!!!??????

Hes a @#$%&! up!!!... another Wayne Hughes special!!!
Lets forget a bout his soft side for a minute...
He cant kick...!!!... is there any excuse to have a pick this early and use it on a guy who kicks so many floaters???

I mean you have the whole draft except the first few and you use it on a guy who shirks contests and cant kick..
Then the next draft you choose a guy who can kick but cant touch his toes.

Is that what a recruiter gets paid to look for???

Oh and then there is the 20 hbfers were stuck with ....
Of course we should be angry!!!

We have a herd of sacred cows at this club.. players.. captains.. CEOs .. recruiters.. administrators.. coaches...
Lucas is a 4th year player... not whipping boy... because he is now a man!!!.... But if you call him a boy.... and he thinks hes a boy... and he gets treated like a boy.. well there is the other half of our problem!!!... Right???

Tell me when does Lucas become a man???....

Its laughable!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:45 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.



Anyone remember how brave Eddie, Jeffy and Yazz were in their first 23 games? All 3 have play 3x as many games now and have all improved in that area.

Per-spec-tive!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:50 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ill take Yarrans effectiveness 100% of the time over Lucas Mr Cazz.
Lucas has too much going against him.
Soft, cant kick, cant tackle and has terrible smarts.
He can run and has endurance... ts the only reason hes in ...
Cos if youre looking in the reserves... the Bullants midfield is Markon / Lambert/Cachia etc.With Ellard.. who actually idnt spend alot of time there.

What IS in our reserves is a bunch of half back flanker types... and we dont need them atm..

Laidler
Duigan
Dale played there last week.
Bootsma
McArthy
Watto
Joseph joins their bulging ranks this week.
McIness is out with a knee

Its why Lucas is in the side...!!!
Yarran is in the side because he is electric.. its why you shouldnt point to stats at every chance


And you shouldn't write off players as easily as you do. And yet you continue to do so. Lucas will continue to improve under MM and I have little doubt will be 150+ game player so you might have to get use to him. I know you are just after a whipping boy for 2013.

I have no idea what the list of HBF's and VFL onballers has to do with Lucas.

Regards Cazzesman



Lucas is a fourth year player picked in the mid first round Mr Cazz
And yet his deficiencies are glaring.

The only way he will play 150 games is if we continue drafting hbfer types who are kicking dew off the grass at Cramer street.
Thats what he has to do with it all.. if we didnt have a team of hbfers in the ressies and we had been taking mids.. wed have an option to leave out Lucas atm... but if you go along to the reserves... youd find Preston players dominating the midfield in our reserves.
And cos we dont have options... Lucas stays....
Thats how Lucas is linked with our overabundance of average hbfers in the ressies.... its a very clear line... !!(I thought it was obvious)
Lucas would struggle to make the side in any of the other teams in the eight...


Yeah, Nah the only obvious thing is your need for a whipping boy. Sadly it's in your nature.

You'd rather denigrate that encourage. That's okay we all get it.

I'm not 100% sure your opinion about who would or wouldn't get into any of the top 8 sides counts for much in the grand scheme of things.

Regards Cazzesman



Oh so if our club could get that pick back again.. they would go BAANG!!!! LUCAS PLEASE!!!!??????

Hes a !@#$%& up!!!... another Wayne Hughes special!!!
Lets forget a bout his soft side for a minute...
He cant kick...!!!... is there any excuse to have a pick this early and use it on a guy who kicks so many floaters???

I mean you have the whole draft except the first few and you use it on a guy who shirks contests and cant kick..
Then the next draft you choose a guy who can kick but cant touch his toes.

Is that what a recruiter gets paid to look for???

Oh and then there is the 20 hbfers were stuck with ....
Of course we should be angry!!!

We have a herd of sacred cows at this club.. players.. captains.. CEOs .. recruiters.. administrators.. coaches...
Lucas is a 4th year player... not whipping boy... because he is now a man!!!.... But if you call him a boy.... and he thinks hes a boy... and he gets treated like a boy.. well there is the other half of our problem!!!... Right???

Tell me when does Lucas become a man???....

Its laughable!!!


And you are a bore as per normal. Change the record, we've all heard it before. Your stic' is like night follows day. Get a target and rag-doll it until it's shredded. :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:52 pm 
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So Cazz, your whipping boys are posters on this site instead. The lack of self-awareness of your type is absolutely staggering.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:57 pm 
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I'm sure Synbad can fend for himself Dino. Kane doesn't have that luxury. I strongly doubt Synbad will ever be a whipped boy .

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:00 pm 
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I think Lucas may make it.

However, our recruiting efforts over the last while have been a little disappointing.

Just looking through our VFL side against Port today, there are too many players that are yet to prove they may play 100 plus games. We don't appear to have any potential stars in the wings - Menzel, Graham and possibly Bootsma and Buckley aside.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:04 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.



Anyone remember how brave Eddie, Jeffy and Yazz were in their first 23 games? All 3 have play 3x as many games now and have all improved in that area.

Per-spec-tive!

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Why do you keep comparing Ratten to Thompson at Geelong.. and Watson to Hurley.. and Lucas to Yarran?
Lucas isnt a patch of shit on Yarrans non preferred shoe..... the thing is Yarran has skill coming out of his ass.. and Lucas doesnt have much going for him except he can run.
That isnt going to give him 150 games of AFL footy at this club and if he plays 150 games for us God help Carlton and us.!!!

Hes shit!!!.. he has too many flaws to be a 150 game player....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.



Anyone remember how brave Eddie, Jeffy and Yazz were in their first 23 games? All 3 have play 3x as many games now and have all improved in that area.

Per-spec-tive!

Regards Cazzesman

Why do you keep comparing Ratten to Thompson at Geelong.. and Watson to Hurley.. and Lucas to Yarran?
Lucas isnt a patch of shit on Yarrans non preferred shoe..... the thing is Yarran has skill coming out of his ass.. and Lucas doesnt have much going for him except he can run.
That isnt going to give him 150 games of AFL footy at this club and if he plays 150 games for us God help Carlton and us.!!!

Hes shit!!!.. he has too many flaws to be a 150 game player....


I hate to interrupt your rant but in the couple of attached posts above we were actually talking about braveness. I just asked how Lucas's braveness compared to the current 'flavor's of the month' at the same time in their careers. Nothing else.

Now continue to run off on a tangent if you like.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:10 pm 
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And, for the record, I don't agree with Synbad regarding Lucas but the rest that you read between the lines needs to be said, even if it is repeated ad nauseum.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:11 pm 
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White provides a tough physical contest and can kick ok - no star but doesn't make too many errors


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:14 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
I'm sure Synbad can fend for himself Dino. Kane doesn't have that luxury. I strongly doubt Synbad will ever be a whipped boy .

Regards Cazzesman

Luca can defend himself by playing good hard aggressive footy.. and working on his kicking skills?
Whats he done in 4 years?


Hes not stronger
He cant tackle
he cant kick!!...
If Lucas need to defend himself he can grow up and be fair dinkum about what he considers is an AFL football standard footballer.

Are we supposed to wait 6 or 7 years for every recruit before we can call a spade a spade???

Get real!!!

Kids coming through the TAC have never been so well prepared to play AFL... and Tuohy and Irishman puts this guy to shame!!!

Lucas should be senior standard by now....as crap as he has been coached.. and developed .. he still hasnt improved his kicking or tackling....

So in 2 years he leaves the club and we can bag him then like Russell...??.. who by the way showed more than Lucas... as timid as he was.. he didnt shirk it every time!!!

Youre comparisons are ridiculous.....Dont compare Yarran with Lucas
Yarran has teams working on how to shut him down every week... opposition coaches wouldnt ever worry a bout Lucas

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:14 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
And, for the record, I don't agree with Synbad regarding Lucas but the rest that you read between the lines needs to be said, even if it is repeated ad nauseum.


So tell us why you don't agree with Synbad. Never fear, he will only denigrate you a little bit if you do so. :wink:

By the way Dino, refresh my memory, but was it Lucas or Yazz who missed those 3 easy shots on goal against the Tigers in the dying minutes. And was it Lucas who kicked that clutch long goal to keep us in touch? :confused:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:17 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Youre comparisons are ridiculous.....Dont compare Yarran with Lucas
Yarran has teams working on how to shut him down every week... opposition coaches wouldnt ever worry a bout Lucas


Were Coaches working on Yarran in his first 23 games?

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actually White's pretty mobile too !


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:23 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

Lucas' most glaring deficiency is his lack of appetite for the contest. Needs to be brave.



Anyone remember how brave Eddie, Jeffy and Yazz were in their first 23 games? All 3 have play 3x as many games now and have all improved in that area.

Per-spec-tive!

Regards Cazzesman

Why do you keep comparing Ratten to Thompson at Geelong.. and Watson to Hurley.. and Lucas to Yarran?
Lucas isnt a patch of shit on Yarrans non preferred shoe..... the thing is Yarran has skill coming out of his ass.. and Lucas doesnt have much going for him except he can run.
That isnt going to give him 150 games of AFL footy at this club and if he plays 150 games for us God help Carlton and us.!!!

Hes shit!!!.. he has too many flaws to be a 150 game player....


I hate to interrupt your rant but in the couple of attached posts above we were actually talking about braveness. I just asked how Lucas's braveness compared to the current 'flavor's of the month' at the same time in their careers. Nothing else.

Now continue to run off on a tangent if you like.

Regards Cazzesman



No were not talking bravery... but because he has no skills.. he needs to be brave!!... otherwise why blow picks on a guy who can run???
Geelong used a late pick on a sprinter... and he looks no worse but probably better than Lucas.
What Lucas EXCELS with is not enough....
When he started i thought he would be good... but thats cos i thought he would put some work into all his defficiencies.. and believe me.. he has alot!!!

He is basically the same player he was 4 seasons back....physically... but cant tidy up his shit kicking...!!!

Im really sick of mediocrity at the club..... its no wonder we have 43k members..???
Too many lack standards!!!... dont come in and excuse mediocrity!!!.. if Tuohy and Army can improve each year.. a top dozen pick can too!!!...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:26 pm 
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its a bit of cake eating to talk about how shit the coaching and development has been at our club and then bemoan players who havent developed.

Lucas can play and has probably developed more in the past few months than he has in the entire past few years.

the Ratten program set us back too far and we are coming from a long way back, which will take time now unfortunately.

Lucas can play and i think he will make it - unfortunately his first few years were wasted - we now have to be patient and have a bit of faith our coaches will now do the right thing on the development path

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:28 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
its a bit of cake eating to talk about how shit the coaching and development has been at our club and then bemoan players who havent developed.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Kar-ching.

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