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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 pm 
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Army holding down CHB again.

Emerg: Casboult, Ellard, Joseph


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:37 pm 
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I think if Kreuzer is ever to make it as a forward, it's out at half forward rather than from the goal square. If he's at half forward, he can roam around, take marks out of contests as well as in them, and play more effectively to his strengths that include when the ball hits the ground. Whether he can do that well enough to hold down CHF permanently, only time will tell.

One more thing on Kreuzer. Someone MUST tell/teach him to put his arms up and FORWARD when going for contested marks. At the moment, he goes for marks with his arms straight up above his head, clearly left over from when he was a junior and taller than everyone else. It's way too easy to spoil. Stick his arms out front above his head (and push his backside back), and it will be impossible to spoil him without giving away a free. I'm amazed this hasn't yet been addressed.


Totally agree on all that.

He's clearly suited to playing as an onballer but I don't see why he can't be used as the bustling type of CHF we had with Earl. He shouldn't be a stay at home forward.

Give him a remit to run his backman ragged and play CHF as a mobile monster. A CHF/onballer who works up a bit further than most CHFs do with a Casboult type hanging around the goal square and the small guys picking up the crumbs.

Definitely not an option on the FF line.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:38 pm 
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The sub will be interesting: Betts, Touhy, Scotland, Robinson or White? You'd think Curnow will have a run with job.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:40 pm 
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BIRDTOWN wrote:
The sub will be interesting: Betts, Touhy, Scotland, Robinson or White? You'd think Curnow will have a run with job.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:44 pm 
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B: C Yarran 13, M Jamison 40, L Henderson 23
HB: Z Tuohy 42, D Armfield 27, B Gibbs 4
C: K Simpson 6, A Carrazzo 44, M Robinson 12
HF: C Judd 5, A Walker 1, J Garlett 38
F: E Curnow 35, S Hampson 22, S Rowe 17
Foll: R Warnock 11, M Murphy 3, B McLean 14
I/C: E Betts 19, K Lucas 9, H Scotland 29, S White 43
Emerg: L Casboult 41, D Ellard 46, A Joseph 45

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:46 pm 
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Adelaide
B: L Brown 16, B Rutten 25, A Otten 22
HB: D Mackay 14, D Talia 12, B Reilly 3
C: R Douglas 26, S Thompson 5, B Smith 26
HF: S Kerridge 29, J Jenkins 4, J Petrenko 23
F: T Lynch 27, T Walker 13, M Wright 11
Foll: S Jacobs 24, P Dangerfield 32, R Sloane 9
I/C: M Jaensch 10, B Vince 17, R Henderson 45, R Laird 46
Emerg: J Lyons 31, S McKernan 35, J Porplyzia 40

In: B Vince, B Smith
Out: J Porplyzia (omitted), B Crouch (hamstring).

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:46 pm 
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They're lining up with Walker & Jenkins + Lynch. R. Henderson may run through there as well, so reckon White may start to cover unless A.Walker goes a tall.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:27 pm 
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I have the feeling that Betts may not play and Ellard will be a late inclusion.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:31 pm 
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Eddie wrote:
I have the feeling that Betts may not play and Ellard will be a late inclusion.


Unfortunately i think you may be right


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:35 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
I think if Kreuzer is ever to make it as a forward, it's out at half forward rather than from the goal square. If he's at half forward, he can roam around, take marks out of contests as well as in them, and play more effectively to his strengths that include when the ball hits the ground. Whether he can do that well enough to hold down CHF permanently, only time will tell.

One more thing on Kreuzer. Someone MUST tell/teach him to put his arms up and FORWARD when going for contested marks. At the moment, he goes for marks with his arms straight up above his head, clearly left over from when he was a junior and taller than everyone else. It's way too easy to spoil. Stick his arms out front above his head (and push his backside back), and it will be impossible to spoil him without giving away a free. I'm amazed this hasn't yet been addressed.


And the same can be said for Hampson.
Rowe, though much smaller, does that.

Kreuzer is like a Jack Russell; he just chases the ball. In my mind, his second best position is also in the centre square as another mid. When he played in the under 19 Carnival he was initially smashed by NicNat. The coaches moved McEvoy into the ruck and kept Kreuzer in the square. It worked well.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:39 pm 
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B: Simpson Jamison White
HB: Tuohy Henderson Walker

Foll: Warnock Gibbs Murphy
C: Scotland Carrazzo Armfield

HF: Judd Rowe Garlett
F: Betts Hampson Yarran

I/C: McLean Lucas Robinson (Curnow)

Armfield on Dangerfield
Carrots on Sloane
McLean can take Thompson if needed

Jamo on Walker
Henderson on Jenkins
White on Lynch

Love to see Hendo forward and Walker run off Jenkins or Lynch.

Real speed. Defensive work rate & contested possession will be the key.
Hampson & Rowe just have to make a contest.

Judd to kick 5!!!

Blues by 46.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:46 pm 
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Their whole forward line is in pretty average form, Walker took a massive knock last week and will certainly still be sore. They've gone reaall tall while we are going for the shorter approach again.
Petrenko has been stinking it up this year while Jenkins doesn't measure up to Tippet at all.

Their midfield is big, strong and quick. Thompson and Dangerfield are probably worse than Judd and Murph for running the other way though. Happy with Armfield playing as a HF and don't really want to waste him tagging Danger, much rather he take Brent Reily out of the contest and shut down their rebound.

Don't think White will be sub, almost always is a running player.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:23 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
BigKev wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.


Understand BB but it would be Warnock v Jacobs and Rowe v Jenkins. Where's the harm? You also can't pick a side "in case of injury". We need to be effective across our entire 22.

The game is also now having less and less stoppages caused by the sliding rule and the umpires throwing the ball up quickly around the ground. In some cases we are having as few as 3-4 ball ups a qtr.

The key point for me is carrying a player that has little effect. There can be a huge advantage having another midfielder. More rotations which is vital.

If we had Cox & NicNat I would totally agree with you but we don't.

When Kruezer comes back I can see he and Warnock being given a fair run together. My main concern is Hampson being made into a forward. Will never happen and I believe his ruckwork is suffering because of it.

With Waite back it complicates it further. A fwd line of Waite, Rowe/Casboult & Kruezer surrounded by Judd, Yarran, Betts, Garlett and the mids is very dangerous. I think that's how we will end up looking. Hampson would get in the way.

IMO we are so much better having a fit Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork. Rowe has shown he can handle the back up work and has been impressive when he has.


I generally agree with what you write, Pysch, but on this occassion I have a different view. IMO Warnock and Kruezer shouldn't play in the same team. And that means when Krueze is fit, 206 goes back to the magoos. Krueze is wasted anywhere but as #1 ruck, (he's not a very good key forward), and Warnock is just not capable of any other role.


BigKev, I agree totally. Both Kruezer & Warnock are ruckman full stop! I am not a fan of playing two ruckman at any stage. I just see that as being our structure going forward in the next few weeks.

Personally, my preference is Waite, Henderson & Rowe/Casboult as tall forwards surrounded by smalls. This would be supported by McCarthy, Jamison & White as tall defenders. These surrounded by runners.


Agree and disagree. Kreuzer might be our best ruckman, but he may also be our best forward too. He goes where we are most deficient. Right now that is FF or CHF. When waite is back and if Rowe or Hampson come on as a forward then he displaces Warnock again
Kruezer is a terrific footballer but an ordinary key forward. Similar with Hampson. Both certainly very handy resting there but that's alot different to playing the key position role.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:32 pm 
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Who can go with Dangerfield?
White needs game time to develop, he's lost too much with injuries.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:36 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.

Develop Casboult, who has the tools to make it there eventually, more than a ruckman, Rowe, Mitchell and if we really need a key forward move Henderson there.

Ruckman rarely make key forwards. Let's not hurt their career's trying.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Kreuzer is NOT an AFL midfielder. He is a ruckman. Never will be a midfielder.
Do people think he could be accountable for a Blair, Swan, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Sloane, Thompson????

Sick of hearing people call for him to play as a mid.

Next will be Jeffy to full back!

And eddie to CHF.........












P.s. thought I'd throw the Eddie one in there for a laugh

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Simpson Jamison White
HB: Tuohy Henderson Walker

Foll: Warnock Gibbs Murphy
C: Scotland Carrazzo Armfield

HF: Judd Rowe Garlett
F: Betts Hampson Yarran

I/C: McLean Lucas Robinson (Curnow)

Armfield on Dangerfield
Carrots on Sloane
McLean can take Thompson if needed

Jamo on Walker
Henderson on Jenkins
White on Lynch

Love to see Hendo forward and Walker run off Jenkins or Lynch.

Real speed. Defensive work rate & contested possession will be the key.
Hampson & Rowe just have to make a contest.

Judd to kick 5!!!

Blues by 46.


ok psy again lets go again, closets to winning/loosing margin (so far - 1-0 in my favor)

Blues by 29


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:52 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Simpson Jamison White
HB: Tuohy Henderson Walker

Foll: Warnock Gibbs Murphy
C: Scotland Carrazzo Armfield

HF: Judd Rowe Garlett
F: Betts Hampson Yarran

I/C: McLean Lucas Robinson (Curnow)

Armfield on Dangerfield
Carrots on Sloane
McLean can take Thompson if needed

Jamo on Walker
Henderson on Jenkins
White on Lynch

Love to see Hendo forward and Walker run off Jenkins or Lynch.

Real speed. Defensive work rate & contested possession will be the key.
Hampson & Rowe just have to make a contest.

Judd to kick 5!!!

Blues by 46.


The contested possession is the key - these bastards mauled us last year in this department and there players haven't got any smaller since then.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:10 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Kreuzer is NOT an AFL midfielder. He is a ruckman. Never will be a midfielder.
Do people think he could be accountable for a Blair, Swan, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Sloane, Thompson????

Sick of hearing people call for him to play as a mid.

Next will be Jeffy to full back!

And eddie to CHF.........












P.s. thought I'd throw the Eddie one in there for a laugh

Agreed its comical


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:38 pm 
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DenimUndies wrote:
Eddie wrote:
I have the feeling that Betts may not play and Ellard will be a late inclusion.


Unfortunately i think you may be right


Oddly enough, (I am a fan of Eddies), I'm not so sure that this wouldn't be a good thing.
I think that Ellard would be a better replacement for Joseph.

I'm not so sure that our forward line is at it's best with Garlett, Yarran and Betts.
Can't help but feel this makes it a bit too heavy in the "opportunist goal sneak" dept.


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