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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:20 pm 
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Please MM ... No bombing into the fwd line hoping for a pack mark. Defense at stoppages paramount. Stick with what you tried last week ... A vast improvement in tactics. Move the ball fast ... play to our strengths.

I only saw the second half but there was plenty of bombing going on from what I saw. Not so much careless kicks but throwing it onto the boot under extreme pressure. It wasn't pretty to watch but the committment was certainly there.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:32 am 
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Don't think "good" teams are going to allow Yarran and Garlett space behind them to run into like last weekend, the old quarterback or loose man in defense tactic will come into play. It's when teams play that loose man in our forward line we struggle taking the ball forward, the long bombs just get rebounded and we get caught out going the other way. Expecting Crows to do that this week. Manning them up and creating a 7 man forward line just clogs up our forward 50 whereas other teams seem to have all the space available.
See what Micky has up his sleeve this week...
I'm expecting Dangerfield is going to try and crash into Murphy first chance he gets....


..except they didn't 'allow' it to happen at all, but rather we 'made' it happen.. ..and it will be easier to do at the MCG as well.. ..that's the problem with the press, and zones.. ..to guard and block up space, you give your opponent a bit of leeway.. ..when you have Yazz, Jeffy and also Army working together,, with their pace they can run and work around opponents far too easily..

..simply put the zone/press will not stop extra fast players.. ..if you don't have touch, or a one on one mindset, these types of players will burn you every game.... ..this will at times work for us, and also work against us.. ..but over the years our speedy fwds have cut up plenty of good teams, when said good teams were in their peak seasons too..

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:10 am 
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I think tactically those goals yarran scored can be stopped. Still it will mean the opposition conceding they cant play the way they want and have to make adjustment. That adjustment might just rob them of a goal or two in attack.

I see our tactics last week to be very similar to the swans last year. They still managed to get Jetta through on a number of occasions. Hopefully Yaz and Garlett can continue doing the same.

I would still like us to kick a few goals using a robust system that can be relied on each week. We did miss a few of those type of chances on the weekend so maybe the opportunities are there we just are not nailing them. If Casboult, Rowe and hampson kicked straighter we would have a better idea.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:22 am 
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MM on SEN this morning specifically mentioned Ellard - must be a strong chance to take Josephs place.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:35 am 
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PercyJones wrote:
MM on SEN this morning specifically mentioned Ellard - must be a strong chance to take Josephs place.


You would hope so.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:21 pm 
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I think only one change this week - Ellard for Joseph or Curnow

I would like to see Casboult replace Hampson but think it fair that the Bolt strings some additional good games on top of his effort on the weekend

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:31 pm 
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Would entertain the idea of Hampson for Betts. Would be uncharacteristic of MM to do so though.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:28 pm 
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Would entertain the idea of Hampson for Betts.


Like to see that! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:31 pm 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I think only one change this week - Ellard for Joseph or Curnow

I would like to see Casboult replace Hampson but think it fair that the Bolt strings some additional good games on top of his effort on the weekend


True, but you need to balance that with getting games under him as well.

IMO Hampson should be dropped regardless. Casboult has more upside. With Rowe up forward and maybe White at CHB and Hendo forward thats some real options.

Casboult & Rowe can really have a good run the ruck if struggling. Gives MM more flexibility which he likes.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:17 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:54 pm 
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I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:56 pm 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I think only one change this week - Ellard for Joseph or Curnow

I would like to see Casboult replace Hampson but think it fair that the Bolt strings some additional good games on top of his effort on the weekend

I cant see Curnow being dropped, he played a good game and shut down Gaff.
In Ellard
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:58 pm 
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I'm heading to the Anzac memorial in Canberra tonights so my kids can have a serious Anzac Day at the march and followed by the War Museum..

I'm a fan of the ACT and always find plenty to do, so I will be there over the next few days and that's when we play Corws at the G.

I don't know if the hotel I'm staying at Foxtel but my wife tells me its the only hotel with a heated in door swimming pool. That's strange?

What are the options to watch Carlton vz Crows in Canberra on Foxtel?
I'd like to take the kids along too, but don't have to, hence options.

Help?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Want Ellard in the squad but worried whether we can have the likes of Ellard, Carazzo, McLean & Curnow in the one team, theyre similar players, slower, harder, fitter, in & under midfielders.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:02 pm 
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Brad Crouch for Adelaide has done his hammy at Training. Will miss this week. Not that it matters much, but he is becoming a dynamic player for them.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:14 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Kev, has anyone suggested dropping 6 players? No. People are throwing out suggestions of who could make way for any players demanding a spot. The only player I really think deserves to be dropped is Joseph, but if we can field a better team by bringing in players who will perform better than someone already in the team, then we should do it, even if they didn't have a terrible game. I see those possible selections as

- an automatic selections returning from injury (ie eddie)
- a player whose reserves form suggests their output will be better than someone currently in the team (possibly ellard)
- or someone who can play a particular role against a certain side (ie bell)

Can't be complacent. If the side can be improved the changes should happen


Jake, (and Denim who agrees with you), are you suggesting that a player who is ommitted from the team because someone else demanded his place hasn't really been dropped? What do you call it?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Sounds like the Crows will try and clog up all the space in our forward line.

Hopefully we do the same for them and force them to change rather than leaving their forward line wide open like we have in the past.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:30 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I'm heading to the Anzac memorial in Canberra tonights so my kids can have a serious Anzac Day at the march and followed by the War Museum..

I'm a fan of the ACT and always find plenty to do, so I will be there over the next few days and that's when we play Corws at the G.

I don't know if the hotel I'm staying at Foxtel but my wife tells me its the only hotel with a heated in door swimming pool. That's strange?

What are the options to watch Carlton vz Crows in Canberra on Foxtel?
I'd like to take the kids along too, but don't have to, hence options.

Help?


Bondi

I suspect the hotel you are staying at will have Foxtel - most do. Otherwise you can go to the Eastlakes AFL Footy club which is pretty central in Canberra where they have Foxtel on widescreen TVs. As an interstate visitor I am sure you will get in no probs. The Weston Club in Weston Creek also has Foxtel on widescreen TVs. I can get you in there. PM me if you need any help.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.


Understand BB but it would be Warnock v Jacobs and Rowe v Jenkins. Where's the harm? You also can't pick a side "in case of injury". We need to be effective across our entire 22.

The game is also now having less and less stoppages caused by the sliding rule and the umpires throwing the ball up quickly around the ground. In some cases we are having as few as 3-4 ball ups a qtr.

The key point for me is carrying a player that has little effect. There can be a huge advantage having another midfielder. More rotations which is vital.

If we had Cox & NicNat I would totally agree with you but we don't.

When Kruezer comes back I can see he and Warnock being given a fair run together. My main concern is Hampson being made into a forward. Will never happen and I believe his ruckwork is suffering because of it.

With Waite back it complicates it further. A fwd line of Waite, Rowe/Casboult & Kruezer surrounded by Judd, Yarran, Betts, Garlett and the mids is very dangerous. I think that's how we will end up looking. Hampson would get in the way.

IMO we are so much better having a fit Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork. Rowe has shown he can handle the back up work and has been impressive when he has.

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