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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:28 pm 
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What is this meterage measurement Malthouse has been talking about in press conferences (not inviting a stats in presser rant or Ratts rant) ?

It would be interesting to know how it is measured and if its done individually or as team or both. Then it would be interesting to see where Judd sits with such a stat. It seems really important to Malthouse and his plan. If Judds results are terrible id say he would get dropped. I doubt his numbers would be too bad this season as he has been good attacking (assuming metres gained). I have seen him chase a bit also. Not so much against WC.


He did mention about metres for Hurn and Army keeping him to 80 in the first half but he made 300 in the whole game.


He also talked about after the geelong game and compared it to collingwood game. Team v team. Gave numbers. I dont think its just running like denimundies suggested. I think it metres gained with the ball. How much ground we concede v how much we gain. Anyway it would be interesting to know what it is all about. The numbers that normally gets you a win. I doubt we will ever know though. Could be something he brings out to kill time in a presser.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:33 pm 
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I've always found that when I buy a sandwich for lunch, the lady making it really enjoys me asking for the same thing 40 times in the period I'm standing at the counter. Like all walks of life, she appreciates the repetition of the same request ad nauseum, even though asking for the sandwich once would have sufficed.

Enjoy every sandwich.

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were talking footy here.........

cim m i dont think judd will be dropped... but he needs a huge kick in the ass.... personally id drop him... i hate the fact we have players who dont chase.. its an inherent wael trait and if its not fixed... and by fixed i mean everybody doing their bit... not some .

one in 7 dollars goes to him...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:35 pm 
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club29 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
What is this meterage measurement Malthouse has been talking about in press conferences (not inviting a stats in presser rant or Ratts rant) ?

It would be interesting to know how it is measured and if its done individually or as team or both. Then it would be interesting to see where Judd sits with such a stat. It seems really important to Malthouse and his plan. If Judds results are terrible id say he would get dropped. I doubt his numbers would be too bad this season as he has been good attacking (assuming metres gained). I have seen him chase a bit also. Not so much against WC.


He did mention about metres for Hurn and Army keeping him to 80 in the first half but he made 300 in the whole game.


He also talked about after the geelong game and compared it to collingwood game. Team v team. Gave numbers. I dont think its just running like denimundies suggested. I think it metres gained with the ball. How much ground we concede v how much we gain. Anyway it would be interesting to know what it is all about. The numbers that normally gets you a win. I doubt we will ever know though. Could be something he brings out to kill time in a presser.

We saw a few pleasing things in the game.. im sure we will see more things rolled out over the next few years

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:36 pm 
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Why is that?, he didn't have a interpreted preseason did he?, if im not mistaken this has been his first full preseason? fatigue perhaps?--boh


No idea Denim.
Is it possible that one has only so many minutes in him?

He looks 30 yet he's only still 21. Plenty of time to get things right before he really explodes.
Whichever way I think we've done pretty well for a rookie selection. Synbad?


I think he's been a very good rookie get for sure. Gee i wish his fitness gets better. I remember last year he came good after having played a good deal of games in the VFL, perhaps he s one of those that really needs a longer sustained fitness program rather than a short intense one.. he ll come good i think


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:37 pm 
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Need to make a statement.
no bigger statement than dropping the sacred cow.
Drop Judd.

That will smarten up the whole lot of them.

He just doesnt chase .....

Omfg!

You drinking?

say it in your best John Candy voice(God rest his soul ... amen!)..... "Youve gone too far this time Synbad!!!"

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club29 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
What is this meterage measurement Malthouse has been talking about in press conferences (not inviting a stats in presser rant or Ratts rant) ?

It would be interesting to know how it is measured and if its done individually or as team or both. Then it would be interesting to see where Judd sits with such a stat. It seems really important to Malthouse and his plan. If Judds results are terrible id say he would get dropped. I doubt his numbers would be too bad this season as he has been good attacking (assuming metres gained). I have seen him chase a bit also. Not so much against WC.


He did mention about metres for Hurn and Army keeping him to 80 in the first half but he made 300 in the whole game.


He also talked about after the geelong game and compared it to collingwood game. Team v team. Gave numbers. I dont think its just running like denimundies suggested. I think it metres gained with the ball. How much ground we concede v how much we gain. Anyway it would be interesting to know what it is all about. The numbers that normally gets you a win. I doubt we will ever know though. Could be something he brings out to kill time in a presser.


ah ok, i think your right club, i wasn't to sure , thanks for that


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 pm 
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DenimUndies wrote:
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Why is that?, he didn't have a interpreted preseason did he?, if im not mistaken this has been his first full preseason? fatigue perhaps?--boh


No idea Denim.
Is it possible that one has only so many minutes in him?

He looks 30 yet he's only still 21. Plenty of time to get things right before he really explodes.
Whichever way I think we've done pretty well for a rookie selection. Synbad?


I think he's been a very good rookie get for sure. Gee i wish his fitness gets better. I remember last year he came good after having played a good deal of games in the VFL, perhaps he s one of those that really needs a longer sustained fitness program rather than a short intense one.. he ll come good i think

The malthouse gameplan is a taxing one.. you must be able to run and be fit!!!... so Bell to have any chance of making it.. cant slip away and he must get himself super fit.. same as everyody else... Chris Judd too!!!... and everybody must work to the plan...its the only way its going to work...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:46 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
harker wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:

Why is that?, he didn't have a interpreted preseason did he?, if im not mistaken this has been his first full preseason? fatigue perhaps?--boh


No idea Denim.
Is it possible that one has only so many minutes in him?

He looks 30 yet he's only still 21. Plenty of time to get things right before he really explodes.
Whichever way I think we've done pretty well for a rookie selection. Synbad?


I think he's been a very good rookie get for sure. Gee i wish his fitness gets better. I remember last year he came good after having played a good deal of games in the VFL, perhaps he s one of those that really needs a longer sustained fitness program rather than a short intense one.. he ll come good i think

The malthouse gameplan is a taxing one.. you must be able to run and be fit!!!... so Bell to have any chance of making it.. cant slip away and he must get himself super fit.. same as everyody else... Chris Judd too!!!... and everybody must work to the plan...its the only way its going to work...


You sometimes have moments of brilliance in a game an act or 2 from a superstar than lifts a team but FMD i reckon those 3 chases and blocks on the weekend are about the most powerful yet humble and meaningful acts of teamwork ive seen from the blues for a long time. Just awsome


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:47 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Assuming Betts is unavailable i'd only swap ellard for Joseph.

Army on danger, curnow on Sloane and carrots on Thompson and we should get the job done!

Ellard as sub. Has proven he can add value in the last before!


Be interesting to see how much we do tag this week.

Armfield to Dangerfield sounds right.

Maybe McLean on Thompson may be an option. Has the engine and body size and Thompson isnt that quick.


I think McLean is too small for Thomson.
I don't recall Brock being successful as a tagger either.

Thomson needs a Bell type body shadowing him and that would be good for Bell to learn where to go and find the ball....then when he tires sub him for speed.


Yeah, I'd rather keep McLean playing the way he does, can sneak off, find space and set up an attack. Not sure he'd even be accountable against Thompson, he's still quite slow!
Bell could be an option, but I reckon we should only make one change this week. Hopefully Hammer does more cos he was average against Weagles, still needs to stick more marks. Looks a bit unco. Otherwise, everyone played their role well. Not sure why people are calling for White to be dropped. Thought he was pretty good and seems ahead of Laids, Duigs and Watto.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:47 pm 
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Murphy is a good example of a forward runner who over the first month has really worked on his defensive game. Thought his effort Saturday night was great.

I've never been a fan of Judd's defensive pressure outside of the immediate vicinity. He very rarely chases, simple.

Bell is the same as Judd except he isn't A superstar with credits in the bank. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I don't think he'll make it until he changes his style and runs hard both ways.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:54 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Murphy is a good example of a forward runner who over the first month has really worked on his defensive game. Thought his effort Saturday night was great.

I've never been a fan of Judd's defensive pressure outside of the immediate vicinity. He very rarely chases, simple.

Bell is the same as Judd except he isn't A superstar with credits in the bank. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I don't think he'll make it until he changes his style and runs hard both ways.


Perhaps the very same message you identified is whats been sent to him via his omission . No disrespect to the players they're just learning and coming to terms with fact that expectations regarding workload during a game are higher than what they previously have been


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:55 pm 
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Who wants to drop Judd? They must have been out to Windy Hill.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:55 pm 
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club29 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
What is this meterage measurement Malthouse has been talking about in press conferences (not inviting a stats in presser rant or Ratts rant) ?

It would be interesting to know how it is measured and if its done individually or as team or both. Then it would be interesting to see where Judd sits with such a stat. It seems really important to Malthouse and his plan. If Judds results are terrible id say he would get dropped. I doubt his numbers would be too bad this season as he has been good attacking (assuming metres gained). I have seen him chase a bit also. Not so much against WC.


He did mention about metres for Hurn and Army keeping him to 80 in the first half but he made 300 in the whole game.


He also talked about after the geelong game and compared it to collingwood game. Team v team. Gave numbers. I dont think its just running like denimundies suggested. I think it metres gained with the ball. How much ground we concede v how much we gain. Anyway it would be interesting to know what it is all about. The numbers that normally gets you a win. I doubt we will ever know though. Could be something he brings out to kill time in a presser.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6388141249

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:57 pm 
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Murphy is a good example of a forward runner who over the first month has really worked on his defensive game. Thought his effort Saturday night was great.

I've never been a fan of Judd's defensive pressure outside of the immediate vicinity. He very rarely chases, simple.

Bell is the same as Judd except he isn't A superstar with credits in the bank. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I don't think he'll make it until he changes his style and runs hard both ways.

The oppositing know Judd doesnt work hard the other way and exploit it.

When you grade a footballer you cannot in this day and age grade them only with the ball in their hands.

Judd is an old dog who must learn new tricks...he is abe bodied .... no excuses... !!!.... its becoming more and more apparent each players are instrcted to run away from him and get involved.There is abit of the late Kouta syndrome going on with Juddy and if he is not careful the game will overtake him at a rate of knots.

He is one of my favourite players but hes fast becoming the elephant in the room and the sacred cow all rolled into one.

We really cant afford this with the Malthouse style.

Swann is a fatty to look at and yet he doesnt stop!!!....same with all modern day footballers worth a pinch of

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:28 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
club29 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
What is this meterage measurement Malthouse has been talking about in press conferences (not inviting a stats in presser rant or Ratts rant) ?

It would be interesting to know how it is measured and if its done individually or as team or both. Then it would be interesting to see where Judd sits with such a stat. It seems really important to Malthouse and his plan. If Judds results are terrible id say he would get dropped. I doubt his numbers would be too bad this season as he has been good attacking (assuming metres gained). I have seen him chase a bit also. Not so much against WC.


He did mention about metres for Hurn and Army keeping him to 80 in the first half but he made 300 in the whole game.


He also talked about after the geelong game and compared it to collingwood game. Team v team. Gave numbers. I dont think its just running like denimundies suggested. I think it metres gained with the ball. How much ground we concede v how much we gain. Anyway it would be interesting to know what it is all about. The numbers that normally gets you a win. I doubt we will ever know though. Could be something he brings out to kill time in a presser.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6388141249


Thanks Megaman. I am sure Malthouse is kind of talking about what is spoke of in the article but i think he has more going on. Comparing it to the opponents or subtracting opponents meterage from the total. He also talks about it in team totals and us giving up ground and allowing the opposition a chance to get into the game.

It may be something that reveals itself in time and possibly not that interesting at all. Seems like big part of the gameplan to me though and something Malthouse measures each players value by.


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Synbad wrote:
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I've always found that when I buy a sandwich for lunch, the lady making it really enjoys me asking for the same thing 40 times in the period I'm standing at the counter. Like all walks of life, she appreciates the repetition of the same request ad nauseum, even though asking for the sandwich once would have sufficed.

Enjoy every sandwich.

talking stuff thread...
were talking footy here.........


But what if she gets the sandwich wrong? I can't believe there are some in here that would rather have a sandwich made wrong than repeat themselves. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO A WELL MADE SANDWICH!

A bad Sandwich with baloney? BALONEY!

Sandwich hands need direction, even the best sandwich hands. So it's best to always give your sandwich maker the benefit of repetition in case the bit where you said 'No pickles' wasn't picked up correctly.

This is not a Stuff issue!

This is a Life issue!

Football is a part of life! You can't see that? BALONEY!

FIX THE SANDWICH. FIX THE TEAM.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:37 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
I've always found that when I buy a sandwich for lunch, the lady making it really enjoys me asking for the same thing 40 times in the period I'm standing at the counter. Like all walks of life, she appreciates the repetition of the same request ad nauseum, even though asking for the sandwich once would have sufficed.

Enjoy every sandwich.

talking stuff thread...
were talking footy here.........


But what if she gets the sandwich wrong? I can't believe there are some in here that would rather have a sandwich made wrong than repeat themselves. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO A WELL MADE SANDWICH!

A bad Sandwich with baloney? BALONEY!

Sandwich hands need direction, even the best sandwich hands. So it's best to always give your sandwich maker the benefit of repetition in case the bit where you said 'No pickles' wasn't picked up correctly.

This is not a Stuff issue!

This is a Life issue!

Football is a part of life! You can't see that? BALONEY!

FIX THE SANDWICH. FIX THE TEAM.



you dont fix sandwiches you make them...... ok????

get that straight!!!!

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A win here will get us back on track, but it will be a tough one. Adelaide match us up well.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:48 pm 
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Meters gained is a key statistic ignored by afl for a long time but has come into vogue in the last 12 months. There was an article last year by Mathews that said we should be paying attention to meters and disposal efficiency as opposed to pure contested possession. It is a theory that values a player like Scotland over McLean


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choo wrote:
It's impossible to truly assess a player's performance by watching a tv broadcast.



this old chestnut

but sadly i have to agree

and i say sadly because i am stuck here in Perth and dont get to see enough live carlton games.

the difference in perspective is massive - a heap of armfields work for example against the eagles wouldnt have been seen on tv.

i dont hold any TV viewers opinions in low regard

but yeah massive difference live

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