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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:46 pm 
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Alex Jesaulenko

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I believe these three losses are the best thing that has happened to us in years.

When you look at it through non-blue coloured glasses we haven't done anything for years. We have beaten a tired side in an elimination final. We have won a few big home and away games, but when we have really needed to step up, we haven't even been close. Close losses in Prelims would be close, anything less than that is not close. Who's to blame, not really sure as I am not on the inside. Personally, it doesn't seem to be the drafting, I like a lot of the players (who didn't see that JR would fit in the Pies quite well and I think there is a very good player in Watto) but when compared to other clubs, player development does seem to be really poor.

When Carlton are allowed to attack, we play the best looking football in the league, hands down. That does not win pressure games. I am getting the feeling that MM has come to the realisation that he has more on his plate than what he bargained for, that like the football world (media), and me, he was seduced by our attacking nature.

A lot of what needs to be remedied to be a winning side now, is attitudinal. We do have the players to win. We do have weaknesses, but nothing that can't be negated. There is an obvious bit of play this year that sums up where I think we are at, and what MM has to work on. Against Collingwood, Murph got the ball on the wing and was charging forward. Tom Bell was beside him calling for hands. For Tom to have called for hands he must have looked up and seen the the space in front of them was clear. With that being the case, instead of calling for hands he should have automatically turned around and looked for an opponent coming up from behind to shepherd, meaning Murph had even more space, instead of Murph having to direct him to shepherd. This isn't a look after the captain thing, in the reverse position, Murph should automatically shepherd. This sort of thing does not happen with us. It might be simplistic, but when you see the way that the Hawks worked for each other against the Pies on Sunday, we are a long way off that standard of care for team mates and the jumper. And that is attitudinal, it can be taught. Until it is automatic, we will struggle against the quality sides.

I watched us live most closely back from 99 to 04. When we had a good side in this time, you could tell whether we were going to win or lose in the first 10 minutes by the way we came out tackling and shepherding. Yes it is a different game, time, playing list etc, but that sort of attitude is what is needed. That hard work early will then allow the game to open up to our current strengths, our attack and pace.

To me, MM is the coach to fix it. He has left all other clubs in strong positions. Everything seems to be simpler than the last 6 years and 6 games... No jingo, no speak, just simple honesty. We need the players to fully hop on board.

We can still make the finals and I believe that we will. It is going to take a whole hearted effort and whole lot of reprogramming of the attitude of the list. We have not been far away and could have quite easily been 2w 1l. The fact that we aren't will galvanise MM. You know that he won't give up and will take the players along for the same ride. Those that don't, won't be there next year, quite simply. I'm along for the ride.

Go Blues


Nice one Mattress. :thumbsup:


...and a great attitude towards the club on the 2nd last line...of course we
re going to win some and lose some....lets hope the ride improves on last year as it has on the previous decade.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:55 pm 
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While we're at it, WHEN THE HELL DO WE GET SMORGYLAND????



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:29 pm 
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SydMatt wrote:
I watched us live most closely back from 99 to 04. When we had a good side in this time, you could tell whether we were going to win or lose in the first 10 minutes by the way we came out tackling and shepherding. Yes it is a different game, time, playing list etc, but that sort of attitude is what is needed. That hard work early will then allow the game to open up to our current strengths, our attack and pace.


Go Blues


I would go so far as to say that this is still the case. The first 10, no, I would go so far as the first 5 minutes, of our games set the tone for what we may expect for the next couple of hours. We're almost bipolar in that regard, you never know what you're going to expect. The only exception to this were our string of 'come from behind' wins in 2010.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:23 pm 
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club29 wrote:
None of us really know if he is good as captain or not. Time will tell. I am sure he has some learning to do.

The cats went out of their way to get him the other way. Hunt had a purple patch kicking a great goal from the boundary. Skinning Murph on a turn over and then getting away from the captian.
It was a tactic. Murphy would have got challenged at half time and then responded. That in itself is a good example.
He is an attacking weapon. He will need help defensively from those picked because they have that in their nature. Either that or Murphy responds to a tagger by tagging him back and agreeing to a nil all draw. Not sure we want to see that. I am sure we all want to see murphy shake the tagger and run riot. Unfortunately that means any turn over can go the other way through his player to mess with his head if the oppo are coached right. That is where he needs cover.

Carrazzo did the same thing to Pendlebury last year.

Goals that Murphy's tagger gets should be seen as a team failure not always a Murphy failure.




Excellent points club.
A great ploy by an outstanding playing group and half decent coaching.
We have failed to support our leader in the past and it seems it hasn't changed thus far.
My disappointment in this matter is again with our senior playing group and Malthouse.
It's quite obvious that he has been targeted from the onset of the season. You attack the head and the body will fall.
If Malthouse needs a process he should start with the basics of team ethics and solidarity.
You win as a team and you lose as a team.


I agree with both posts.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:24 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
While we're at it, WHEN THE HELL DO WE GET SMORGYLAND????


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:39 pm 
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SydMatt wrote:
I watched us live most closely back from 99 to 04.




Incidentally did I ever get around to thanking you for stepping in between me & that Demons fan that day? :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:56 pm 
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What's the big deal about MM's "process" quote?

David Parkin banged on about "process" over 30 years ago......he did ok you know.....81 & 82 flags and then back again for a flag in 95.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:25 pm 
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Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:01 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
What's the big deal about MM's "process" quote?

David Parkin banged on about "process" over 30 years ago......he did ok you know.....81 & 82 flags and then back again for a flag in 95.



I feel the process is strong in this one


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:04 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:07 am 
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chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.

i think youre doing alot of" feeling" ....let it go......

:thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:19 am 
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chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:24 am 
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club29 wrote:
None of us really know if he is good as captain or not. Time will tell. I am sure he has some learning to do.

The cats went out of their way to get him the other way. Hunt had a purple patch kicking a great goal from the boundary. Skinning Murph on a turn over and then getting away from the captian.
It was a tactic. Murphy would have got challenged at half time and then responded. That in itself is a good example.
He is an attacking weapon. He will need help defensively from those picked because they have that in their nature. Either that or Murphy responds to a tagger by tagging him back and agreeing to a nil all draw. Not sure we want to see that. I am sure we all want to see murphy shake the tagger and run riot. Unfortunately that means any turn over can go the other way through his player to mess with his head if the oppo are coached right. That is where he needs cover.

Carrazzo did the same thing to Pendlebury last year.

Goals that Murphy's tagger gets should be seen as a team failure not always a Murphy failure.


..agree, i can remember swannies mcveigh [?] kicking 4 i think it was playing on Judd.. ..for years we've complained that Judd got no support when he was being roughed up, scragged and played off of.. ..and now it will be Murph's turn [again, copped it for us as a kid pre-judd too].. .. ..and this is a broader issue.. ..partly it is the captains issue to really address, but it's also a team sport, and the players, all of them,, need to play as a team.. ..our captain [any captain], will improve in that role when the others want to be lead..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:07 am 
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Fade outs are the problem- it can be easily fixed through 'process' have a look at the analysis below

Crude analyses looking at last 1/5 of the worm for each quarter

We were -22 points total against Richmond
-26 against pies
-46 against cats
We have won 2qtrs in that period and drew one.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:08 am 
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Synbad wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.

i think youre doing alot of" feeling" ....let it go......

:thumbsup:


I think you are getting confused between 'feeling' and 'touching'. I touch with feeling


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:55 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.

i think youre doing alot of" feeling" ....let it go......

:thumbsup:


Well, he's got an 'expansa' as his avatar. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:17 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts was all about a process too.... so is Sticks... maybe something to be said about the "Process"


Good, I can feel your anger.

i think youre doing alot of" feeling" ....let it go......

:thumbsup:


I think you are getting confused between 'feeling' and 'touching'. I touch with feeling



I know what youre feeling its ok... but let it go.....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:01 am 
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Are 'feelings' the same as 'vibes' ?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:13 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Are 'feelings' the same as 'vibes' ?

I think vibes might be being used if they're touching themselves

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:21 pm 
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plenty of relevance in this article..


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/m ... 6624765912


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