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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:25 am 
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Four pages since the side was posted and just a couple of posts about Buckley being dropped.
What happened to continuity and confidence.
Is the process different and acceptable for one coach or in one year and not another?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:27 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
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Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run


Psy I once read an interesting theory from a notable psychologist discussing one the typically recurring barriers to positive change, went something like this --> 'the more time you invest in an idea the harder it is to move past it, the mere notion that you may have to accept loss of investment is painful' How long can you persist Psy? lets be honest, the clubs already invested reasonable effort in exploring their potential, there needs to be reasonable signs of progress which IMO there isn't. better to cut them loose give them a chance elsewhere and give the club a chance to explore other opportunities. enough is enough..


:thumbsup: Agree. The only change to that is we have a new coaching/development regime and they must be given the chance to assess without previous bias.

I have said in other posts that I expect to turn over a minimum of 8-10 players at years end. The point is we cant do it to then. MM will use this year to make his own assessment regarding players.

Guys like Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Collins, OKeefe, Davies, Duigan, Curnow, Dale, Cachia (still dont get it), Hampson need to show a marked improvement and ability to handle AFL football this year or they will be gone.


That's why some the responses from supporters proclaiming (that we have sufficiently talented list who has under performed in the 3 rounds to date) perplexes me. FFS when you cut past your top 5 or 6 (who are a year older than last year, 2 years other than 2 years ago, 3 years older than 3 years ago) still persist on the starting talent bench mark as being being "a kick away from an elimination final" 23,345676 years ago. The teams that beat us thus far this year (only just), are not at the same level as they were several years ago, as painful as it may be to accept they have improved so the comparisons are bullshiat.

Fact is our current developed depth is shiathouse, our proven players are older than they were 23,345676 years ago..Try out the rest of those eligible on the list to see what they have to offer, get a team oriented play style in place, pi$$ off the players that aren't gonna improve your team to the level required and lets move the faaark on.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:28 am 
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My 2 cents ...

Laidler was woeful against Collingwood. IMO he's a good footballer but he needs to establish a fitness base before returning to AFL. No rush.

Simpson is easily in our best 22, even if he's a bit out of form. I can't understand the calls to drop him.

Little surprised to see Buckley dropped, but I think the new coach is in "have at look at them" mode, so ... ok. I just hope he has a look at them playing in winning as well as losing teams. A lot of players look poor when we lose.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:39 am 
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I thought Buckley was a certainty for another game, interesting that whenever Ratten didn't give a youngster two in a row there were howls of protest while MM seems to be just fine in doing this.

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Lose this, and we'll be lower on the ladder than Melbourne or GWS.

Hopefully this is pointed out to the group...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:55 am 
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redback wrote:
Four pages since the side was posted and just a couple of posts about Buckley being dropped.
What happened to continuity and confidence.
Is the process different and acceptable for one coach or in one year and not another?

sorry Redback, missed your valid post

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:59 am 
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I am disappointed that Dylan wasn't retained. I would have thought his pace on Subi would have been an asset. Still looks a very slow team to me. I suppose time will tell.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:01 am 
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redback wrote:
Four pages since the side was posted and just a couple of posts about Buckley being dropped.
What happened to continuity and confidence.
Is the process different and acceptable for one coach or in one year and not another?


5 possessions and 1 tackle in 3 quarters isn't really good enough.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:03 am 
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DenimUndies wrote:
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That's why some the responses from supporters proclaiming (that we have sufficiently talented list who has under performed in the 3 rounds to date) perplexes me. FFS when you cut past your top 5 or 6 (who are a year older than last year, 2 years other than 2 years ago, 3 years older than 3 years ago) still persist on the starting talent bench mark as being being "a kick away from an elimination final" 23,345676 years ago. The teams that beat us thus far this year (only just), are not at the same level as they were several years ago, as painful as it may be to accept they have improved so the comparisons are bullshiat.

Fact is our current developed depth is shiathouse, our proven players are older than they were 23,345676 years ago..Try out the rest of those eligible on the list to see what they have to offer, get a team oriented play style in place, pi$$ off the players that aren't gonna improve your team to the level required and lets move the faaark on.


Are these really facts, or an opinion?


They're my worthless, unfounded, unqualified opinions... Care to furnish yours?


hey Denim, neither good bad or ugly. a bit depressing maybe? might have read a bit harsher without emoticons. not meant to be overly so. :smile:
I think people are saying that some of these lesser lights will be moved on next year.
I guess I have a bit more faith in our core.
We can still be very,very good, and hope we will be soon.
Like..on Sat'dy nite for instance... :sly:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:04 am 
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Stamos wrote:
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Four pages since the side was posted and just a couple of posts about Buckley being dropped.
What happened to continuity and confidence.
Is the process different and acceptable for one coach or in one year and not another?


5 possessions and 1 tackle in 3 quarters isn't really good enough.

were you there?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:10 am 
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Not always about stats Stamos. Young kid coming on early as a sub in his first game. I thought he aquitted himself very well. More than I can say for a few other more senior players.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:31 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Anyhow,i am expecting Warnock to have a big game.Kruezer and Hampson's tap work has been ordinary this year,hence our poor centre clearance work.Warnock is our best tap ruckman for mine and i am backing him to give Murph,Judd and the others first use of the ball which makes a massive differance. Reckon Curnow with his running power is a good addition and is perfect to go with Gaff.Also backing Aaron Joseph to having his best game of the year by shutting down LeCras.As far as Kennedy and Darling ,pft......they arent travelling that well and i am thinking between Hendo,Jammo,and White there forwards will struggle..........................massive game for Jeffy and Yarran.if we go the longbomb they must be at the drop of the ball.As a matter of fact if all things remain equal i reckon if Jeff and Yarran can jag 3 each,we win.And im backing Jeff and Yarran to have big games.Blues by 11 points.


You reckon Aaron Joseph is going to play on Mark LaCras? Too small to play on him, LaCras is a medium forward who would tear him apart.

Also, FYI, Kennedy is playing unbelievably this season, and with our defence leaking over 100+ points in each of our games, I'm worried about Kennedy grabbing ahold of us. Darling has been sh*t though this season but I'm sure he will play himself back into some form against us


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bluegirl72 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:





That's why some the responses from supporters proclaiming (that we have sufficiently talented list who has under performed in the 3 rounds to date) perplexes me. FFS when you cut past your top 5 or 6 (who are a year older than last year, 2 years other than 2 years ago, 3 years older than 3 years ago) still persist on the starting talent bench mark as being being "a kick away from an elimination final" 23,345676 years ago. The teams that beat us thus far this year (only just), are not at the same level as they were several years ago, as painful as it may be to accept they have improved so the comparisons are bullshiat.

Fact is our current developed depth is shiathouse, our proven players are older than they were 23,345676 years ago..Try out the rest of those eligible on the list to see what they have to offer, get a team oriented play style in place, pi$$ off the players that aren't gonna improve your team to the level required and lets move the faaark on.


Are these really facts, or an opinion?


They're my worthless, unfounded, unqualified opinions... Care to furnish yours?


hey Denim, neither good bad or ugly. a bit depressing maybe? might have read a bit harsher without emoticons. not meant to be overly so. :smile:
I think people are saying that some of these lesser lights will be moved on next year.
I guess I have a bit more faith in our core.
We can still be very,very good, and hope we will be soon.
Like..on Sat'dy nite for instance... :sly:


Hi BG, I didnt interpret your Q as intending to be harsh, it was a valid Q that you raised.

I also think our core is extremely competitive and I also share your belief that the blues will win more than they loose this year, starting with this weekend. Its our non core group that I personally consider to be the difference to the blues being a super side and a non super side. Its pretty clear that many of those so called lesser lights haven't come through as the club and supporters had hoped, that's not being negative, rather its me communicating my own personal version of reality, that reality may be different for others and that's why footy is so great . I'm sure that many of the boys who haven't progressed as expected have given it their best shot, but for one reason or another just haven't been capable of reaching the heights anticipated. Unfortunately list limitations force clubs to make changes, in situations that appear stalled, such changes are often in the best interests of both players and clubs. The same changes however often bring out differing opinions in all that are passionate about their club hence the reason we're all in here verbally bashing each-other in good fun.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:33 pm 
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gsker1 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Anyhow,i am expecting Warnock to have a big game.Kruezer and Hampson's tap work has been ordinary this year,hence our poor centre clearance work.Warnock is our best tap ruckman for mine and i am backing him to give Murph,Judd and the others first use of the ball which makes a massive differance. Reckon Curnow with his running power is a good addition and is perfect to go with Gaff.Also backing Aaron Joseph to having his best game of the year by shutting down LeCras.As far as Kennedy and Darling ,pft......they arent travelling that well and i am thinking between Hendo,Jammo,and White there forwards will struggle..........................massive game for Jeffy and Yarran.if we go the longbomb they must be at the drop of the ball.As a matter of fact if all things remain equal i reckon if Jeff and Yarran can jag 3 each,we win.And im backing Jeff and Yarran to have big games.Blues by 11 points.


You reckon Aaron Joseph is going to play on Mark LaCras? Too small to play on him, LaCras is a medium forward who would tear him apart.

Also, FYI, Kennedy is playing unbelievably this season, and with our defence leaking over 100+ points in each of our games, I'm worried about Kennedy grabbing ahold of us. Darling has been sh*t though this season but I'm sure he will play himself back into some form against us


I think AJ may go with Kerr, he has done it in the past.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:33 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
I think going for mature age players with your main draft picks is a massive mistake. Rowe with our second pick and duigan with I think our 3rd?

In reality we probably could have got both with rookie picks.

We should be looking to pick up potential stars with second and third round picks. Not just relying on the first round. I think it's fair to say duigan and Rowe never were and never will be any more than good average AFL players, which is not a bad result, but a lot of the guns of the competition come from these later picks so it could be a lot better


Duigan was 4th round in 2010. As was the somewhat forgotten McInnes.

All the players taken in the 4th round of that draft have played senior footy, and aside from three, our two look just about the best of them. (The three others being Arryn Siposs, Claye Beams -a rookie upgrade- and Paul Puopolo.)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Not always about stats Stamos. Young kid coming on early as a sub in his first game. I thought he aquitted himself very well. More than I can say for a few other more senior players.


Not the sort of kid who'll drop his head and sulk.

Will just make him even more determined for a call-up.

Could have easily been left in the squad and may just have been had have the game been here. I hope he made the trip to Perth for the experience.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:56 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
Stamos wrote:
redback wrote:
Four pages since the side was posted and just a couple of posts about Buckley being dropped.
What happened to continuity and confidence.
Is the process different and acceptable for one coach or in one year and not another?


5 possessions and 1 tackle in 3 quarters isn't really good enough.

were you there?


Yeah, I was. I liked his efforts, his goal was a ripper.
I wouldn't have been surprised if he kept his spot, but I'm not surprised or too disappointed that he's been dropped either.

Mick is making lots of rotations to give players a taste and seeing how they go. We're up to 31 players this week, 4 rounds in.
It's all part of the plan (I hope :yikes: )


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seeing as we're playing at subi......... Bucks dropped ?? - BOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!


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HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!


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