How does one achieve WINS SB?

f&^%$, im gonna have to figure out how i bill the time im spending on TC to my clients..

I think people are overreacting. He is saying that if you get the process right everything else falls into place which is true of most things in life.

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SB your being selfishly opportunistic, no matter what the coach does, your gonna focus on ways to facilitate argument/s for your preconceived personal dislike of his selection.

"It's not about <dumbest most stupid thing in sport>. It's about process."

..you do realise that it is possible to win games, and yet not have a top 4/flag contender worthy team, cos the systems and 'process' are just shizen.. ..just look at us, or even look at top 4 teams in the past decade such as roo's under laids, and dawgs under rocket, that had top 4 teams and yet were the weak link in said top 4.. .... ..and you can have clubs, such as hawks pre-08 flag, who during their poor seasons ppl said clarko's systems were crap.. ..the same system got him a flag, and is still used with modern tweaks.. ..or the swans system, apparently ugly and got roos a flag for them, or even longmires system, that was meant to have them slide, and yet got them a flag..

..it is all about system/process.. ..this is required to be a power club off field, and a flag contender on field.. ..wins without system and process is a scam..

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Straight swap warnock for Jaksh.

Heard he wasn't chuffed at going to GWS

I believe these three losses are the best thing that has happened to us in years.

When you look at it through non-blue coloured glasses we haven't done anything for years. We have beaten a tired side in an elimination final. We have won a few big home and away games, but when we have really needed to step up, we haven't even been close. Close losses in Prelims would be close, anything less than that is not close. Who's to blame, not really sure as I am not on the inside. Personally, it doesn't seem to be the drafting, I like a lot of the players (who didn't see that JR would fit in the Pies quite well and I think there is a very good player in Watto) but when compared to other clubs, player development does seem to be really poor.

When Carlton are allowed to attack, we play the best looking football in the league, hands down. That does not win pressure games. I am getting the feeling that MM has come to the realisation that he has more on his plate than what he bargained for, that like the football world (media), and me, he was seduced by our attacking nature.

A lot of what needs to be remedied to be a winning side now, is attitudinal. We do have the players to win. We do have weaknesses, but nothing that can't be negated. There is an obvious bit of play this year that sums up where I think we are at, and what MM has to work on. Against Collingwood, Murph got the ball on the wing and was charging forward. Tom Bell was beside him calling for hands. For Tom to have called for hands he must have looked up and seen the the space in front of them was clear. With that being the case, instead of calling for hands he should have automatically turned around and looked for an opponent coming up from behind to shepherd, meaning Murph had even more space, instead of Murph having to direct him to shepherd. This isn't a look after the captain thing, in the reverse position, Murph should automatically shepherd. This sort of thing does not happen with us. It might be simplistic, but when you see the way that the Hawks worked for each other against the Pies on Sunday, we are a long way off that standard of care for team mates and the jumper. And that is attitudinal, it can be taught. Until it is automatic, we will struggle against the quality sides.

I watched us live most closely back from 99 to 04. When we had a good side in this time, you could tell whether we were going to win or lose in the first 10 minutes by the way we came out tackling and shepherding. Yes it is a different game, time, playing list etc, but that sort of attitude is what is needed. That hard work early will then allow the game to open up to our current strengths, our attack and pace.

To me, MM is the coach to fix it. He has left all other clubs in strong positions. Everything seems to be simpler than the last 6 years and 6 games... No jingo, no speak, just simple honesty. We need the players to fully hop on board.

We can still make the finals and I believe that we will. It is going to take a whole hearted effort and whole lot of reprogramming of the attitude of the list. We have not been far away and could have quite easily been 2w 1l. The fact that we aren't will galvanise MM. You know that he won't give up and will take the players along for the same ride. Those that don't, won't be there next year, quite simply. I'm along for the ride.

Go Blues

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I saw it as Mick deflecting cleverly any pressure on him ie 0-3 down and he is staring down the face of 0-4 - Seems to be a change in emphasis
Dont disagree that if we get the process right we will win more than we lose given Micks good coaching record

..with their kpps stocks maybe, but patton doing his other knee means they may hold on for now, as insurance.. ..patton's done both his knees now, so you'd think they'd err on the side of caution,, and i doubt they'd be willing to trade him [especially so soon]..

..i can dream however..

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You don't want to ask me that DenimUndies. I am irrational when it comes to Malthouse. I still get great enjoyment out of seeing him lose. Unfortunately that comes at cost for me these days.

If he wins everygame for the rest of the season i will still say he cashed in on other peoples hard work and doesn't deserve any accolades and say it was just a case of the stars aligning.

Club, i admire your honesty, cant ask for more than that

Plenty of issues here
this is a year where MM will work out who goes and who stays

just one point at the moment

Murphy is a bad choice as captain

after been towelled in the last 10 minutes of the first half against the pussies Murphy should have shown what he is meant to do which is to lead and gathered all the troops together and said some home truths and to stick fat

what happened was he didnt do this being more concerned by how Hunt had bagged 3 on him.
Credit his second half was good but the point here is not how he personally plays good and bad its how he leads
the issue of leadership is so important yet the club continues to stuff up when it comes to picking dud leaders
Kouta
fat boy
Juddy
they go with the wrong ones
dont have to be the best player

I have said this before but Henderson to me would make a good captain
He speaks well. Seems more extroverted than MurphyCertaintly better than Murphy and he is pretty much now in our top 22.

..i think Murphy's trying to hard to 'lead by example', and to him thats being the most damaging he can be, rather he needs to learn to be the most damaging team player, vs individual player.. ..good thing is, he can just have a long, seriously honest discussion about this with his father, a brilliant captain,, and learn what he needs to know/understand..

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None of us really know if he is good as captain or not. Time will tell. I am sure he has some learning to do.

The cats went out of their way to get him the other way. Hunt had a purple patch kicking a great goal from the boundary. Skinning Murph on a turn over and then getting away from the captian.
It was a tactic. Murphy would have got challenged at half time and then responded. That in itself is a good example.
He is an attacking weapon. He will need help defensively from those picked because they have that in their nature. Either that or Murphy responds to a tagger by tagging him back and agreeing to a nil all draw. Not sure we want to see that. I am sure we all want to see murphy shake the tagger and run riot. Unfortunately that means any turn over can go the other way through his player to mess with his head if the oppo are coached right. That is where he needs cover.

Carrazzo did the same thing to Pendlebury last year.

Goals that Murphy's tagger gets should be seen as a team failure not always a Murphy failure.

Excellent post!

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You can like a lot of players without them all being appropriate for the club when looking at the big picture. I have no problem with the drafting of most of our first round players, drafting the likes of Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran and even Lucas seemed like sound reasoning at the time but there is definitely problems with how we evaluate what is good for the club.

Our recruiting beyond draft picks in the top ten or so has been horrendous. I've liked that we've looked at players like Mitchell and Watson but you can't teach players to run quicker or be more agile; that's even before you get to the much talked about HBF fixation.

Most clubs fracture in development and what they may need as the competition progresses; we give away second round draft picks like they are going out of fashion and with what's left over, we constantly pin our hopes on players that most clubs must know a lot about but have already overlooked. We congratulate ourselves on recruiting the second best performed HBF or pocket player at the nationals year after year, as if that's building a list. If anything, we could be less 'clever' with our early picks and more adventurous and active later on. In other words, we are reactionary, insular and impatient.

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So while he was making prelims and gfs what was it? Four grand finals and a bunch of prelims in a decade you were hating him.... He comes to us you still hate him but you rather enjoyed a coach that we were employing to win us one elim final and mismanage our list ?
You're funny!..... Lol

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The cats didn't make ablett captain they made lower middle of the road players captain.
It doesn't need to be your best players anymore.

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Nice post Sydmatt.