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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:34 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I can't believe Hampson has not come under scrutiny. 6 touches 1 kick and absolutely no idea how to play footy as a forward or ruck. .

Ken doll put in one of his usual cluless efforts.
And hes gunna play the hardest possie on the ground CHF? pfffft


I've tried to be positive about him but no more. Get rid of him. Should be in his prime but uncoordinated. Won't change.nwe need to look elsewhere


Give him a break. The bloke had abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago.
Before he went out he was playing good footy.


Seriously? Good footy?

That's the problem with a lot of our players. Bits and pieces football but overall not good enough to help us be a top 4 side.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Last week I highlighted using a smaller more agile forward line will become a trend.


You are one step behind, Synbad. Teams can have both height and agility in their forward line and I think that's what some have been working toward for quite some time. Either way, we lose out because our HBFs are neither particularly tall or agile.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:58 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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Last week I highlighted using a smaller more agile forward line will become a trend.


You are one step behind, Synbad. Teams can have both height and agility in their forward line and I think that's what some have been working toward for quite some time. Either way, we lose out because our HBFs are neither particularly tall or agile.


Especially us with players such as Krooz, Hammer, and Waite who are mobile, athletic and big.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:59 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blues21 wrote:
I can't believe Hampson has not come under scrutiny. 6 touches 1 kick and absolutely no idea how to play footy as a forward or ruck. .

Ken doll put in one of his usual cluless efforts.
And hes gunna play the hardest possie on the ground CHF? pfffft


I've tried to be positive about him but no more. Get rid of him. Should be in his prime but uncoordinated. Won't change.nwe need to look elsewhere


Give him a break. The bloke had abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago.
Before he went out he was playing good footy.


Seriously? Good footy?

That's the problem with a lot of our players. Bits and pieces football but overall not good enough to help us be a top 4 side.

Yeah, lets get Jesse White instead...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:02 pm 
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ERNIE SOS wrote:
Poor drafting and trading has put CFC in this position not MM


This!

I wanted Ratts gone but if it was to come down to an either/or situation between a new coach and a shake-up of the list and the recruitment department, I would have chosen the latter, no question.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:41 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blues21 wrote:
I can't believe Hampson has not come under scrutiny. 6 touches 1 kick and absolutely no idea how to play footy as a forward or ruck. .

Ken doll put in one of his usual cluless efforts.
And hes gunna play the hardest possie on the ground CHF? pfffft


I've tried to be positive about him but no more. Get rid of him. Should be in his prime but uncoordinated. Won't change.nwe need to look elsewhere


Give him a break. The bloke had abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago.
Before he went out he was playing good footy.


Seriously? Good footy?

That's the problem with a lot of our players. Bits and pieces football but overall not good enough to help us be a top 4 side.


Every team needs role players. If Malthouse wants to kick to contests, we need someone to bring the ball to ground.
Not only did Hampson do that before his illness, he took plenty of contested grabs as well.
The trouble is a lot of posters dont get that. Like the posters who think Jamo is overrated and will struggle to hold his spot.
They dont realise he's very good at performing his role.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Agree entirely BV about Hammer and ridiculous about Jamison how would you like to be FB at this stage in this team and play on the best opposition forwards when we leak goals like a sieve
Jamison didn't have a goal kicked on him against riewoldt and cloke and tomahawk only kicked 3 - so he in 3 losses has had 3 goals kicked against him after playing on cloke riewoldt and Hawkins - apart from Walker has been our next best player over 3 rounds - if some of the other leaders played as nearly as well as Jamison in the first 3 rounds we would be 3-0 not 0-3


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:04 pm 
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jamison is a turn over machine

very simplistic view just looking at how many goals he had kicked on him.

what about the others he contributed to?

its the same mindset the team has in general - me , me , me

not the overall positive (or negative in this instance) impact they have on and within the greater team

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"oh i had a good game, my opponent didn't kick a goal" ignoring the 5 turnovers that directly created goals and the time you didnt help a teammate which resulted in another goal

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:07 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
jamison is a turn over machine

very simplistic view just looking at how many goals he had kicked on him.

what about the others he contributed to?

its the same mindset the team has in general - me , me , me

not the overall positive (or negative in this instance) impact they have on and within the greater team

eg

"oh i had a good game, my opponent didn't kick a goal" ignoring the 5 turnovers that directly created goals and the time you didnt help a teammate which resulted in another goal

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How many opposition goals has he contributed to?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:08 pm 
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at least a few last night

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:22 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-13/t ... ts-v-blues

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3. Blues lose Kreuze, but opportunity awaits
Matthew Kreuzer is facing a prolonged period on the sidelines after injuring his thumb in the first quarter. He could be out for between six and eight weeks, a scary thought for the Blues at first instance, but crisis creates opportunity and Kreuzer's absence would give coach Mick Malthouse his first opportunity to have a good look at Matthew Warnock, who so far this season has been squeezed out of the side by Kreuzer and Shaun Hampson.


Hack journalism...how often do they get it wrong?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:24 pm 
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What a lot don't seem to realize is that we probably have the best small rotating forward/mids in the comp.
What we need is a structured game plan were we attack through the centre corridor to a couple of tall leading options in an open forward line and if the ball happens to hit the ground they are there for the crumb and not as the main focal point to contest in the air and on the ground against bigger and multiple opponents.
We don't need a Cloke or Riewoldt we need to open our forward line have more than one form of attack and every player needs to work for each other. .even though I don’t think that Hampson should have played but if you enter the field you are expected fit and ready for some criticism.
Jamison and Henderson have done a great job considering the immense pressure and ease at which the ball has been entering our back line its further up ground that the problem arises


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:03 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
at least a few last night



I dont recall. Can you highlight a few for me?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:56 pm 
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jamo had a few rushed clearances but on telly it looked like he probably had no one to kick too and was under immediate pressure - which probably means we were not working hard enough further up the ground to lend some support.

its kinda scary to think how much improvement is left in us yet we were in all of the games with 5 min still to go.

I wonder if the open spaces of subi will help us find some form.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:13 pm 
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Effes wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-13/talking-points-cats-v-blues

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3. Blues lose Kreuze, but opportunity awaits
Matthew Kreuzer is facing a prolonged period on the sidelines after injuring his thumb in the first quarter. He could be out for between six and eight weeks, a scary thought for the Blues at first instance, but crisis creates opportunity and Kreuzer's absence would give coach Mick Malthouse his first opportunity to have a good look at Matthew Warnock, who so far this season has been squeezed out of the side by Kreuzer and Shaun Hampson.


Hack journalism...how often do they get it wrong?


God help us if we're relying on Matthew Warnock....especially because he doesn't actually play for us :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:47 pm 
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What a lot don't seem to realize is that we probably have the best small rotating forward/mids in the comp.
What we need is a structured game plan were we attack through the centre corridor to a couple of tall leading options in an open forward line and if the ball happens to hit the ground they are there for the crumb and not as the main focal point to contest in the air and on the ground against bigger and multiple opponents.
We don't need a Cloke or Riewoldt we need to open our forward line have more than one form of attack and every player needs to work for each other. .even though I don’t think that Hampson should have played but if you enter the field you are expected fit and ready for some criticism.
Jamison and Henderson have done a great job considering the immense pressure and ease at which the ball has been entering our back line its further up ground that the problem arises


..except the small fwds run, lead and have more general presence than the current talls, bar waite and hendo..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:51 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
redback wrote:
What a lot don't seem to realize is that we probably have the best small rotating forward/mids in the comp.
What we need is a structured game plan were we attack through the centre corridor to a couple of tall leading options in an open forward line and if the ball happens to hit the ground they are there for the crumb and not as the main focal point to contest in the air and on the ground against bigger and multiple opponents.
We don't need a Cloke or Riewoldt we need to open our forward line have more than one form of attack and every player needs to work for each other. .even though I don’t think that Hampson should have played but if you enter the field you are expected fit and ready for some criticism.
Jamison and Henderson have done a great job considering the immense pressure and ease at which the ball has been entering our back line its further up ground that the problem arises


..except the small fwds run, lead and have more general presence than the current talls, bar waite and hendo..



Until the last 5 minutes of the quarter when we get smashed with this game plan. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:56 pm 
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Geelong scored well (5 goals?) from stoppages close to goal. If one defender was goal side of the pack we could have stopped most if not all of these goals. Too many times they got opportunist goals from these stoppages which kept them in the game when we had all the play. Losing Cruize early just made this worse.
We worked some shots of on goal very well, but Geelong just sat back and waited for the inevitable poor kick into the 50 arc to hurt us on the rebound. Came back the other way far to easily.
As we are an inefficient team when it comes to kicking at goal (50%), logic says we should be spending a bit more time learning how to defend the kick in. How many times do teams playing us, kick out straight down the middle of the ground to a uncontested mark?
As a team ,we just don't work hard enough to both make space when we have the ball, and close up the oppositions space when we don't. This was most evident in the 3rd quarter last night.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Could it be that this is group simply will not get the job done. I think they had their chances against Brisbane and Sydney in the finals a few years back. Dare I say it, Terry Wallace (was it?) was right our premiership window is shut.

This is the same DUMB group of footballers that don't help each other, all go up to spoil, run one way, all go for the ball carrier etc as before.

This is the same mentally weak group that gave up the finals lead to Brisbane, that lost to Gold Coast when we needed to make the finals. So mentally weak!!

This is the same group that has had us looking on with envy at the passion and desperation of the hawthorn Geelong Sydney players for years.

This is a mediocre bunch of players. As the results over the last few years has shown, shuffle the positions as much as you want, bring in different fringe players. It won't change.

This group is far too dumb, mediocre, soft and most importantly bereft of on field leadership to achieve the ultimate results.

I'm packing it up for the next few years, using a more broad view, this isn't surprising. They are simply not good enough and lack the leaders, attitudes and champion players to consistently succeed.

The results have shown this and will continue to until the side we know is no longer and hopefully the next crop of players have the mettle to succeed!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:08 pm 
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we have the most unaccountable midfield in the comp. until that changes, we will continue to be heavily scored against. am hoping to see that change in the coming weeks.

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