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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:46 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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No but at a minimum need to make the 8 to justify Ratten not finishing the last year of his contract

Agree with Club great propensity to blame one person for last years result - he was gone when we had disastrous trade period last year and not there when we are 3 nil down and not there when we had insipid NAB CUP GF - the form in which we have carried into the season

The fact that Ratten was out of his depth for 5 years and some.. means thats a silly argument.

Ratts just had to go.... as he should nt have been in charge of our club in the first place

DONT EVER use Ratten as our standard.. maybe end of year and next year we can re assess the boards apointment of Mick.. but he does need time to adjust to whats a weird footy club.. and the list ... as well as players and staff to him.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:47 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
we won't have major changes overall till sticks is gone


Are you sure about that? From what I've heard our entire football department could look different coming into 2014 and the poaching has already begun.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:59 pm 
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People need to Settle the down.

You be foolish to think Mick truly believes the current list as is can win a premiership. This year is all about Mick seeing what he has to work with. Who are those that are gonna buy into philosophy and structures and those that don't will not be around.

Mick hates individuals. He hates selfish players. He won't stand for those who run one way and those who don't buy in. He will weed the rot out and only play those who do.

Plenty will change come seasons end. He and Swanny are already at it TRUST ME!!

I know for sure that some players have had there contracts front loaded this year and the club was mighty pissed whethe AFL notified the club that juddys Visy payments were to be included into our salary cap. The club is trying to free up as much cash as possible for a massive raid next year.

100% warnock won't be around.

Charlie Dixon is on our radar.

Dixon Prestia wants out of of the Gold Coast but will end up at Essendon*. But Charlie has a decent offer in front of him.

You might see a few of micks old mates at the pies at Visy park next year.

Also, Mick tried talking Jammo into reconsider his decision not nominating for a leadership position. Mick very much fancied Jammo as a captain

mick is a smart operator. He will find the right pieces to the puzzle


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:59 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Synbad wrote:
we won't have major changes overall till sticks is gone


Are you sure about that? From what I've heard our entire football department could look different coming into 2014 and the poaching has already begun.

Did you ever read Moshes threead about the fish he had in a fishtank?
He just kept buying more and more and they kept dying.. cos the water was toxic...

Same with us..

Changes doesnt mean poaching in our case.. it means Sticks gets lost ... someone new comes in and changes everything.. with the fumigator... sprays the thing under ever nook and cranny.
Nothing is spared.... there can be no trace of the toxins.

We always poach.... :lol:
Thats not flower change....

The change starts at the top.. and it makes its way everywhere,,,!!!...

Throw open all board spots...but Sticks cant be involved or endorse anything till after its been done...

Then he gets on his horse and rides out into the sunset... for good as far as admin is concerned.. he can visit and kiss babies on family day.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:02 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
No but at a minimum need to make the 8 to justify Ratten not finishing the last year of his contract

Agree with Club great propensity to blame one person for last years result - he was gone when we had disastrous trade period last year and not there when we are 3 nil down and not there when we had insipid NAB CUP GF - the form in which we have carried into the season


Forget Ratten's coaching for one moment. Ratten deserved the arse for many reasons....and if you've read TC over this year, you'll know. Shithouse recruiting advice to WH, shithouse player development of our kids, shithouse leadership development, mental fragility, one finals win and a shithouse gameplan which was based around Fev and Judd.

Ratten and Sticks have f%^& us up big time and have sent us backwards.
I'll judge MM rounds 6-8 in 2014 after a learning year this year and a trade period at the end.
0-3 is a bitter pill to swallow but change is messy.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:07 pm 
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Synbad, for the first time in a long time we have a president that works well with the CEO, a CEO who works well with our football manager and I had heard Mick is mighty impressed with Andy McKay.

It's called stability.

Greg Swan, Andy Mckay and Mick Malthouse are running the show. They are plotting and scheming as we speak.

Mick will get what he wants. He wants butterfant and sticks and his board are trying to make this happen.

They are all working together NOT AGAISNT EACH OTHER like previous years


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:13 pm 
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Part of the reason Mick got Rob Whiley on board is because Mick is overseeing many areas of the club. Fitness, sports science and most important recruitment and development..... Expect changes in all areas.

It is pretty much a rebuild in a one year. I hear Mick has demanded he has someone he trusts be involved in recruitment as a national role.

There is plenty going on behind the scenes for 2014 and onwards.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:16 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Mick hates individuals.


Spare me.
When Mick went on the footy show in 2011 and derailed the Pies finals campaign, he didnt mind it being about the individual. As long as the individual is Mick.
And have you had a look at the CFC website? 3 part Malthouse videos, book launches, publicity tours. What a shy petal he is.

Mind you, he didnt mind it being about individuals in the Round 1 press conference. Having a go at Hampson, Kruezer and Casboult.

trublu wrote:
You might see a few of micks old mates at the pies at Visy park next year.


Yes, its not like we havent got a shitload of them there already!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:18 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Part of the reason Mick got Rob Whiley on board is because Mick is overseeing many areas of the club. Fitness, sports science and most important recruitment and development..... Expect changes in all areas.

It is pretty much a rebuild in a one year. I hear Mick has demanded he has someone he trusts be involved in recruitment as a national role.

There is plenty going on behind the scenes for 2014 and onwards.


Please not Andrew Lockyer anyone but Lockyer.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:18 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Synbad, for the first time in a long time we have a president that works well with the CEO, a CEO who works well with our football manager and I had heard Mick is mighty impressed with Andy McKay.

It's called stability.

Greg Swan, Andy Mckay and Mick Malthouse are running the show. They are plotting and scheming as we speak.

Mick will get what he wants. He wants butterfant and sticks and his board are trying to make this happen.

They are all working together NOT AGAISNT EACH OTHER like previous years

he works well with him cos theyre both sub standard

...not sure how they would rate against the peers on performance

didnt he say he was going to have a review on Ratts and everything else last year... and he gave him the bullet before the season was out let alone a review?
Now... i ask u... is that a review??

Its amateur hour!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
trublu wrote:
Synbad, for the first time in a long time we have a president that works well with the CEO, a CEO who works well with our football manager and I had heard Mick is mighty impressed with Andy McKay.

It's called stability.

Greg Swan, Andy Mckay and Mick Malthouse are running the show. They are plotting and scheming as we speak.

Mick will get what he wants. He wants butterfant and sticks and his board are trying to make this happen.

They are all working together NOT AGAISNT EACH OTHER like previous years

he works well with him cos theyre both sub standard

...not sure how they would rate against the peers on performance

didnt he say he was going to have a review on Ratts and everything else last year... and he gave him the bullet before the season was out let alone a review?
Now... i ask u... is that a review??

Its amateur hour!!!


McKay is sub-standard?

Hadn't heard that.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:21 pm 
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Anyone get the impression that Mick is taking a long-term view and not really bothered with these early games?

I think Ratts would have coached victories against the Tiges and the Filth.
Mick seems very measured about the lapses that have lost us all 3 games. He doesn't seem desperate. I think he's just getting a feel for the players and where they belong.
He may have even taken the view before the start of the season that the first 4-5 games didn't matter.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:22 pm 
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trublu wrote:
People need to Settle the down.


Yeah, I hate it when it gets all clumped at one end.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:23 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Anyone get the impression that Mick is taking a long-term view and not really bothered with these early games?

I think Ratts would have coached victories against the Tiges and the Filth.
Mick seems very measured about the lapses that have lost us all 3 games. He doesn't seem desperate. I think he's just getting a feel for the players and where they belong.
He may have even taken the view before the start of the season that the first 4-5 games didn't matter.


Could well be.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:24 pm 
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he was talking ceo cimm

and besides whats the best thing about mckays 2 years stint as footy operations manager?
his contracts to jacobs white joseph and waite?
his handling of coaches inclusing last years VFL coach ?
the fact were on 97%PLUS of the salary cap?
the fact we couldnt trade for anyone last trade period?
the balanced llist he has helped manage??

its a terrible set up we have....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:27 pm 
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tryblu if sticks answer is to try to poach all of collingwood ... u change your name to trumagpie

and remember copy cat wannabees are NOT innovators

I want to see a REAL plan from this bozo who is clingging onto this club and dragging it down...

im gunna get angry!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
he was talking ceo cimm

and besides whats the best thing about mckays 2 years stint as footy operations manager?
his contracts to jacobs white joseph and waite?
his handling of coaches inclusing last years VFL coach ?
the fact were on 97%PLUS of the salary cap?
the fact we couldnt trade for anyone last trade period?
the balanced llist he has helped manage??

its a terrible set up we have....


This is all down to him (McKay), are you sure?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:33 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
he was talking ceo cimm

and besides whats the best thing about mckays 2 years stint as footy operations manager?
his contracts to jacobs white joseph and waite?
his handling of coaches inclusing last years VFL coach ?
the fact were on 97%PLUS of the salary cap?
the fact we couldnt trade for anyone last trade period?
the balanced llist he has helped manage??

its a terrible set up we have....


This is all down to him (McKay), are you sure?

Football operations manager?
You bet your last dollar...

if its not .. hes in charge of oranges ..

Thats what a football op manager does ....

The CEO just makes sure we can pay the money and fit them in the salary cap
Footy op manager creates the football environmment (with the coach)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Mick hates individuals.


Spare me.
When Mick went on the footy show in 2011 and derailed the Pies finals campaign, he didnt mind it being about the individual. As long as the individual is Mick.
And have you had a look at the CFC website? 3 part Malthouse videos, book launches, publicity tours. What a shy petal he is.

Mind you, he didnt mind it being about individuals in the Round 1 press conference. Having a go at Hampson, Kruezer and Casboult.

he got rid of Scottland 10 years back because Scottland demanded he play midfield. Marty Clarke went back to Ireland because he asked Mick to play him as a forward cause he wants to kick goals. Micks response was you can kick goals in the VFL

trublu wrote:
You might see a few of micks old mates at the pies at Visy park next year.


Yes, its not like we havent got a shitload of them there already!


what's wrong with poaching a Derrick Hume or David butterfant? You're a dumb a r s e if you think they won't make a difference a out club.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:36 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
he was talking ceo cimm

and besides whats the best thing about mckays 2 years stint as footy operations manager?
his contracts to jacobs white joseph and waite?
his handling of coaches inclusing last years VFL coach ?
the fact were on 97%PLUS of the salary cap?
the fact we couldnt trade for anyone last trade period?
the balanced llist he has helped manage??

its a terrible set up we have....


This is all down to him (McKay), are you sure?

Football operations manager?
You bet your last dollar...

if its not .. hes in charge of oranges ..

Thats what a football op manager does ....

The CEO just makes sure we can pay the money and fit them in the salary cap
Footy op manager creates the football environmment (with the coach)


So McKay is responsible for losing Sam Jacobs, a year before McKay started.?

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