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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:52 pm 
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So he’s not as good as his reputation, his expectations or his pay cheque?
Anyone can use that excuse when coming into a new club, but that usually means taking over a club that is bottom 2-3 and hasn’t played finals for years. He’s got a list of 40 to work with (relatively injury free at the moment).
He has a competitive list. Not the most talented, not the toughest, not the oldest and not the youngest. It’s up to him to get them to play and win and not against the mediocre sides or once in a blue moon but now.
He’s not new at coaching and coached against these players for years and if you had listen to his commentary last year you would be of the same belief.
We agree on the end outcome but just not the interpretation or time frame.


It's interesting isn't it?
Adelaide last year with a new coach made the finals without a blink of an eye. Change game plan and lost players. Fremantle similar! Port Adelaide to a lesser extent this year look like they have adjusted with a new coach and game plan.
I can keep going but I am sick and tired of excuses that our players need to adjust and or the coach needs to learn about our players. Football is not a scientific game, even though some might have you believe. Most of us that have played can adjust quite easily and well to knew "methods" and "process".


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:58 pm 
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They're adjusting all right, back to a game plan from 07/08....was much better to watch with Fev at FF though

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:02 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
redback wrote:
So he’s not as good as his reputation, his expectations or his pay cheque?
Anyone can use that excuse when coming into a new club, but that usually means taking over a club that is bottom 2-3 and hasn’t played finals for years. He’s got a list of 40 to work with (relatively injury free at the moment).
He has a competitive list. Not the most talented, not the toughest, not the oldest and not the youngest. It’s up to him to get them to play and win and not against the mediocre sides or once in a blue moon but now.
He’s not new at coaching and coached against these players for years and if you had listen to his commentary last year you would be of the same belief.
We agree on the end outcome but just not the interpretation or time frame.


It's interesting isn't it?
Adelaide last year with a new coach made the finals without a blink of an eye. Change game plan and lost players. Fremantle similar! Port Adelaide to a lesser extent this year look like they have adjusted with a new coach and game plan.
I can keep going but I am sick and tired of excuses that our players need to adjust and or the coach needs to learn about our players. Football is not a scientific game, even though some might have you believe. Most of us that have played can adjust quite easily and well to knew "methods" and "process".

Fair enough, excuses are making me so sick.
I had high expectations this year, lowered them after the nab cup gf, now after three rounds I'm wondering what the early pick draft pick we'll be getting will bring us.
So sad.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:02 pm 
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Psycho thanks for that fixture update Melbourne played coasters nicely into form if we get within 5 goals of coasters I will be surprised

Not mentally tough enough and leakage of goals to opposition will continue

Shouldn't be a one man team but how many games over the last 3years would we have won without the little master Eddie Betts playing - gee he has been consistent over a long period of time and recent losses show how clinically dependent we are on him kicking goals and applying pressure in the front half
terrible indictment on rest of the forwards both big and small

At the moment we are hoping yarran and garlett will get us over the line with flashes of brilliance - each plays small cameos enough to teaze but not enough to impact our game so we can win - both need to impact scoreboard more -take responsibility when shooting for goal and be much more composed
Shouldn't be the case relying on small guys but we have been screaming out for a good tall forward for years - the club continually either says it cant get one (salary cap issues - ineptitude really) or cant develop one (ineptitude )
Couldn't even bag lynch over the offseason who isn't great but infinitely better than what we got - yes waite is good BUT WE NEVER SEE HIM


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:08 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
redback wrote:
So he’s not as good as his reputation, his expectations or his pay cheque?
Anyone can use that excuse when coming into a new club, but that usually means taking over a club that is bottom 2-3 and hasn’t played finals for years. He’s got a list of 40 to work with (relatively injury free at the moment).
He has a competitive list. Not the most talented, not the toughest, not the oldest and not the youngest. It’s up to him to get them to play and win and not against the mediocre sides or once in a blue moon but now.
He’s not new at coaching and coached against these players for years and if you had listen to his commentary last year you would be of the same belief.
We agree on the end outcome but just not the interpretation or time frame.


It's interesting isn't it?
Adelaide last year with a new coach made the finals without a blink of an eye. Change game plan and lost players. Fremantle similar! Port Adelaide to a lesser extent this year look like they have adjusted with a new coach and game plan.
I can keep going but I am sick and tired of excuses that our players need to adjust and or the coach needs to learn about our players. Football is not a scientific game, even though some might have you believe. Most of us that have played can adjust quite easily and well to knew "methods" and "process".


I think the Freo comparison is fair, not sure about Adelaide.

That 2012 Adelaide list was performing well down, but Freo's list has so many holes it's still hard for me to see them winning in Melb late September, but Lyon got them running after early hiccups.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:11 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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Looking like, after three rounds, we've made a pretty big mistake. Knee jerk, hype driven decision which has come back to bite us.


Gee talk about irony.

The guy needs a season and a half at the very least, give him a chance.

I'll judge Mick on a dozen games.
But I bet he will restructure things end of season.

Our list has a weird balance.
Suppose that means it's not balanced.



But most of us could have told him about the list before he bailed on last years trade period. He was talking premierships. That is the scary things. He was probably believing the hype and dull thinking that laid the blame squarely on the old coach and the coach before him.

He was supposed to have all our players improving. I don't see that either. Walker is back to what he was before he did his collar bone in 2010 so he gets credit there but really I can only see players going backwards. Simpson, Casboult, Yaz, Gibbs, Murphy examples.

Rubbish.
Under rat ten walker was used as a half back flanker.
Waller is now a half back flanker aerobic secondary midfielder who I'd back to the role he played in the tac.
Under ratten walker was trade bait!
Let's not rewrite history shall we ?


Just watch the games before he did his collar bone again then get back to me about re writing history.
When he came back he couldn't stick a tackle to lack of strength and was getting beaten in the backline. Walker then wanted a change so they agreed if a good deal came up they would take a look at it. It didn't. They talked and Walker spoke about going forward. Had a good year then struggled. Then he asked the new coach if he could go back again and now we have a great energetic dashing defender.

Anyway that isn't too important to the discussion. Point is Malthouse was talking flags. Happy with the list. We were told by posters that player are going to improve out of sight.
So far it doesn't look like players are improving. Going backwards infact. We are seeing what we have known for a while - the list needs rejigging. There wont be a flag this year.
Think Micks ego got ahold of him in last years trade weeks and think the club got it wrong putting all the blame on one person for last year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:28 pm 
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People were expecting a flag this year? Really? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:31 pm 
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Amazing that we didn't learn the lesson after the Pagan debacle.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Amazing that we didn't learn the lesson after the Pagan debacle.


Had this thrown at me by some mates and co workers. My response has been while I understand where they are coming from, MM has inherited a much better list.

Looking like I'm wrong thus far.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:40 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Looking like, after three rounds, we've made a pretty big mistake. Knee jerk, hype driven decision which has come back to bite us.

Only mistake is should of got mick year earlier


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:41 pm 
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Amazing that we didn't learn the lesson after the Pagan debacle.


Had this thrown at me by some mates and co workers. My response has been while I understand where they are coming from, MM has inherited a much better list.

Looking like I'm wrong thus far.


Who is the one constant amongst the management group when it comes to poor coaching appointments/contract decisions over the last decade or so?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:42 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
verbs wrote:
Amazing that we didn't learn the lesson after the Pagan debacle.


Had this thrown at me by some mates and co workers. My response has been while I understand where they are coming from, MM has inherited a much better list.

Looking like I'm wrong thus far.

Guess they didn't support freo chasing Lyon

Or collingwood chasing mick in first place

Or Brisbane chasing Leigh Mathews


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:49 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
People were expecting a flag this year? Really? :lol:


I don't think any sensible person did.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:52 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
People were expecting a flag this year? Really? :lol:


I don't think any sensible person did.

Exactly....this season will be an adjustment....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:54 pm 
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No but at a minimum need to make the 8 to justify Ratten not finishing the last year of his contract

Agree with Club great propensity to blame one person for last years result - he was gone when we had disastrous trade period last year and not there when we are 3 nil down and not there when we had insipid NAB CUP GF - the form in which we have carried into the season


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:57 pm 
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I seriously believe we can beat WCE at Subiaco. The space will suit us and they aren't playing great footy.

We then have Crows at the G. Very winnable.
Melbourne at the G
St Kilda at ES
Port at ES
BL at Gabba
GWS at ES
Essendon* at G

We could easily be 7-5 at halfway, have some momentum and be a much better balanced side and playing more to the MM gameplan.

The second half of the year is a better draw and we could easily have Waite, Kruezer, Ellard, Graham, Menzel, Bootsma, McCarthy in our best 22.

A 14-8 or 15-7 record is very possible. I believe we are heading in the right direction!

You're a glass half full kind of guy.
I can just tell!
So am I as a rule but I can't bring myself to produce a post like that.
Good on ya.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:03 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
People were expecting a flag this year? Really? :lol:


I don't think any sensible person did.

Exactly....this season will be an adjustment....


Why did he baulk at trading last year? A blind man could see we needed to mix it up. Teams with a robust defensive game win finals.
We have not got the players to implement such a plan. We all knew that for a long time. Now we get another year of shootout football.
Wasted year.

My only hope is he has the mysterious "defensive mechanism" under his hat and is going to pull it out when he thinks we are ready.
For now he is happy for us to run ourselves ragged in prep of the "defensive mechanism" UNLEASHING that will come in round 6.
Surely that is what he has in mind....... Surely........


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:10 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
People were expecting a flag this year? Really? :lol:


I don't think any sensible person did.

Exactly....this season will be an adjustment....



We're adjusting shitloads more points against this year.
Is that what you're talking about?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:17 pm 
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:lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:23 pm 
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No but at a minimum need to make the 8 to justify Ratten not finishing the last year of his contract

Agree with Club great propensity to blame one person for last years result - he was gone when we had disastrous trade period last year and not there when we are 3 nil down and not there when we had insipid NAB CUP GF - the form in which we have carried into the season

The fact that Ratten was out of his depth for 5 years and some.. means thats a silly argument.

Ratts just had to go.... as he should nt have been in charge of our club in the first place

DONT EVER use Ratten as our standard.. maybe end of year and next year we can re assess the boards apointment of Mick.. but he does need time to adjust to whats a weird footy club.. and the list ... as well as players and staff to him.

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