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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:27 am 
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ERNIE SOS wrote:
Poor drafting and trading has put CFC in this position not MM



That's it...you can't polish a James Hird (although Eddie, Robbo and co are trying pretty hard)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:43 am 
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What stands out for me the most having watched us play Geelong last night is how bad a job Wayne Hughes did during his tenure as recruting manager.

Hard marking him against Stephen Wells from the Cats however, i reckon he'd rate just as poorly against any other of the AFL clubs head recruiters..... except maybe Barry Prendergast's during his recent time at Melbourne.

Where is Barry working these days??


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:50 am 
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I can't believe Hampson has not come under scrutiny. 6 touches 1 kick and absolutely no idea how to play footy as a forward or ruck. .

Ken doll put in one of his usual cluless efforts.
And hes gunna play the hardest possie on the ground CHF? pfffft


I've tried to be positive about him but no more. Get rid of him. Should be in his prime but uncoordinated. Won't change.nwe need to look elsewhere

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:57 am 
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Tackling is the issue. Has been for years. We cannot make them stick. The opposition continuously gets away and it costs us goals every single week.

The players are toothpicks... built for speed

Recruiting over the last six years or so didn't factor nonsense like tackling, shepherding, kicking, hand balling etc.


Said that for years. My two main concerns are fwd structure and size around the ball.

Imperative we get Bell, Ellard & Tuohy around the ball with McLean doing grunt work. Carrazzo tagging doesn't help in that area either. Murphy, Gibbs, Judd then play as second in players.

The other is the forward line. Please give up on ruckman as key forwards. It does not work. We look average when we go forward.

White needs to come in at CHB with Laidler as third man up.

Henderson needs to play forward with Waite (hopefully) and Rowe/Casboult as Third tall/Back up Ruck.


Time to put a line through AJ, Curnow, Duigan, Armfield, Hampson etc. they simply are not good enough under pressure.

It's players like Bootsma, Graham, Menzel, Temay, McCarthy, White, Warnock, Buckley that will take the side forward and they need to start playing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:16 am 
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What we need is team ethic.
I've said it before and nothing will change until we sacrifice for each other.
We need to protect and support, easy as that.
It has been evident for years and nothing has changed from one coach to another.
Instead of running off to receive we need to block and shephard for the carrier. Give him time and space to assess and deliver. Our delivery is pathetic and needs to be addressed immediately.
We need to block for the man when not in possession. There is a lot of fumbling when the ball is on the ground and they need to be assured of the protection in the immediate area. Then when we are in possession we can run off for the link.
When we establish this basic and essential skill we can turn our attention to our skills. Essentially our kicking to advantage, but this will hopefully in essence correct itself marginally when we have some time to weigh up our options for sum. Especially to our leading forwards down the corridor if MM decides that’s the way to actually score more efficiently.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:14 am 
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What we need is team ethic.
I've said it before and nothing will change until we sacrifice for each other.
We need to protect and support, easy as that.
It has been evident for years and nothing has changed from one coach to another.
Instead of running off to receive we need to block and shephard for the carrier. Give him time and space to assess and deliver. Our delivery is pathetic and needs to be addressed immediately.
We need to block for the man when not in possession. There is a lot of fumbling when the ball is on the ground and they need to be assured of the protection in the immediate area. Then when we are in possession we can run off for the link.
When we establish this basic and essential skill we can turn our attention to our skills. Essentially our kicking to advantage, but this will hopefully in essence correct itself marginally when we have some time to weigh up our options for sum. Especially to our leading forwards down the corridor if MM decides that’s the way to actually score more efficiently.

Our players have a culture of living inside the bubble and their comfort zone.

Is a habit that needs to be smashed

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:16 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
The other is the forward line. Please give up on ruckman as key forwards. It does not work. We look average when we go forward.

White needs to come in at CHB with Laidler as third man up.

Henderson needs to play forward with Waite (hopefully) and Rowe/Casboult as Third tall/Back up Ruck.


Couldn't agree more. As much as we need Henderson down back, we need him more as a lead-up forward. Fast track White or Watson (whoever they think is more likely) to CHB and stick with him.

Haven't read the whole thread, so not sure if this has already been mentioned, but has our decision to not do any tackling before Christmas coming back to bite us on the kajoolies? The number of missed tackles last night was horrendous.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:25 am 
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redskins wrote:
How about we stick a tackle for once.. endeavour is there, but not strong enough with our tackling

It has happened every game so far where we have had someonne cold, but they have just shrugged us off.. Lucas especially, although he has improved, his tackling would have to be close to the worst in the league


Spot on.

This has been an absolute momentum killer in the first three rounds. We're going well then someone (often Lucas) misses a straight forward tackle and then they score a goal. Followed by 3 or 4 more.

Needs to be a focus.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:37 am 
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Was at the game and didn't realise that hunt kicked 3 on Murph.
Really adds weight to murph's defensive running attitude. You will find that all sides will put a goalkicking mid on murph from now on.
Hasn't had a great start to his tenure as skipper

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:39 am 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Was at the game and didn't realise that hunt kicked 3 on Murph.
Really adds weight to murph's defensive running attitude. You will find that all sides will put a goalkicking mid on murph from now on.
Hasn't had a great start to his tenure as skipper


In fairness to Murph they happened after poor turnovers from teammates and he was caught going the other way and was trying to get back and assist.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:46 am 
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I went to the game and i just think we are not good enough.
We have played 2 very good teams and Richmond who will trouble alot of sides this year.
Players had a go but just a couple of lapses late in a couple of quarters that killed us.
Losing Kruezer early hurt us badly.
Dont know what is wrong with Simpson but on form he should be the first one dropped this week.
Its frustrating falling short again and this season is pretty much shot.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:52 am 
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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
What we need is team ethic.
I've said it before and nothing will change until we sacrifice for each other.
We need to protect and support, easy as that.
It has been evident for years and nothing has changed from one coach to another.
Instead of running off to receive we need to block and shephard for the carrier. Give him time and space to assess and deliver. Our delivery is pathetic and needs to be addressed immediately.
We need to block for the man when not in possession. There is a lot of fumbling when the ball is on the ground and they need to be assured of the protection in the immediate area. Then when we are in possession we can run off for the link.
When we establish this basic and essential skill we can turn our attention to our skills. Essentially our kicking to advantage, but this will hopefully in essence correct itself marginally when we have some time to weigh up our options for sum. Especially to our leading forwards down the corridor if MM decides that’s the way to actually score more efficiently.

Our players have a culture of living inside the bubble and their comfort zone.

Is a habit that needs to be smashed



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:58 am 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Was at the game and didn't realise that hunt kicked 3 on Murph.
Really adds weight to murph's defensive running attitude. You will find that all sides will put a goalkicking mid on murph from now on.
Hasn't had a great start to his tenure as skipper


He needs support.
We need to surround, defend and stand up for our NEW leader.
I don’t believe how dumb and selfish we are.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:04 pm 
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redback wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Was at the game and didn't realise that hunt kicked 3 on Murph.
Really adds weight to murph's defensive running attitude. You will find that all sides will put a goalkicking mid on murph from now on.
Hasn't had a great start to his tenure as skipper


He needs support.
We need to surround, defend and stand up for our NEW leader.
I don’t believe how dumb and selfish we are.


This.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:16 pm 
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Positives:

- Carazzo's form has lifted. He pants Selwood without letting him get his trademark 20 free kicks for head high contact.

- Tuohy was fantastic. Definitely flicked a switch. During the first two games I was worried he might have hit the ceiling, but he seems to have found another gear. He is exactly the type of player that I can see thriving under a bit of Malthouse /Wiley tutoring.

- Walker was immense. It appears as though he is feeling like a valued part of the team, and not ready to request a trade the instant he gets sent to the back line.

- Scotland had a solid return.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:19 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
What stands out for me the most having watched us play Geelong last night is how bad a job Wayne Hughes did during his tenure as recruting manager.




Wayne is still working for us. Should sack him now and get a new guy in.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:22 pm 
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in fairness to Hughes he had ratten directing the show.

but time has proven he was average at best.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Pretty apt write-up from Niall
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While Carlton closed to within 10 points, rattling on four goals consecutively by the middle of the last quarter, victory never seemed likely. Their defensive weaknesses meant that, at some stage, even a tired Geelong would have a counter attack and score - which the Cats, in time-on, did when Steven Motlop killed the contest with a superb goal.

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The Blues simply afforded the opposition excessive space on too many occasions, a failing that was no less evident six days earlier when Collingwood's small forward Jamie Elliott was given the wide berth of a man carrying the Ebola virus.

Even though the Blues twice led in the first half by three goals, the pattern of the match was such that you weren't convinced about their prospects, because the Cats have more players who can use the ball.

Perhaps the Blues reckoned they had little choice but to maximise their speed and take Geelong on. The problem is that these Cats aren't just a bunch of slowing premiership players. Those tough, strong-bodied veterans have been complemented with speedy youngsters.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... z2QOxHT5zT

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:28 pm 
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In fact, why is our Recruiting team so small?
National Recruiting Manager Shane Rogers
Recruiting Manager Wayne Hughes
Recruiting Officer Michael Jordan



Compare with Collingwood's:
Derek Hine - National Recruiting Manager
Matthew Rendell - National Recruiting Assistant (Senior)
Dominic Milesi - National Recruiting Assistant
Adam Shepard - National Recruiting Assistant
Michael Armfield - South Australian Recruiting Manager (PT)
Andrew Lockyer - West Australian Recruiting Manager (PT)


And Hawthorn's:
Graham Wright - National Recruiting Manager
Geoff Morris - South Coast Recruiting Manager
Gary Buckenara - West Coast Recruiting and Operations Manager
Dale Bleach - Pro Scout
Mark McKenzie - Recruiting and Special Projects Manager
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:31 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blues21 wrote:
I can't believe Hampson has not come under scrutiny. 6 touches 1 kick and absolutely no idea how to play footy as a forward or ruck. .

Ken doll put in one of his usual cluless efforts.
And hes gunna play the hardest possie on the ground CHF? pfffft


I've tried to be positive about him but no more. Get rid of him. Should be in his prime but uncoordinated. Won't change.nwe need to look elsewhere


Give him a break. The bloke had abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago.
Before he went out he was playing good footy.

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