Been saying for a couple of years now . .. .. . we just do not have the list to challenge , and it's really showing .

end of the year , I would expect at least 10 changes .

We can still make the 8 , but that will be the end . Give Malthouse free rein re list management , and we'll get there .

2015 -16 beckons .

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Get the facts first.
Then you can distort them at your leisure.

Clearly Lucas and Joseph are not up to it. And I hate to say it, but Simpson is stinking up the place at the moment too. Murphy at least improved as the game went on.

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I think some of Ratt's little favourites are being found out. Good. Mick will work through this list and if you can't play the way he wants see you later. I've seen some big improvement in some players. It appears some are still sooking over ratt's departure.

Really? Forgot last week did you?

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

My thoughts exactly, decision making was horrible right to the end when Rowe was on his own and we passed to a contest.
Thought we were insipid

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Most think season 2013 is over fair enough so do i

Is it time to play some of our kids get them ready and up to speed for 2014

Is it time to make some hard calls at season end on some players who have some
trade value and draft what we lack

dont think it would mm's game to be so so so so so loose and leave so much space

We haven't been this bad since pre ratts

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Perspective people.

Our arch nemesis the Suns are 0 and 3.

We'll still finish higher than them, then we can get that bronze statue of Mick down at Visy.

If you're going to make hard calls then no use waiting until the end of the year.

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and the three squib efforts were particularly pleasing.

Each one was a guaranteed inside 50.

Don't think I've ever seen that many in one game, including amateurs.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

They beat St Kilda.

I like the improvement in Lucas, George. He does make mistakes and I would like him to go a bit harder at the contest when it's his turn to go but he is taking the game on and definitley has the talent.

We dont have the cattle to win a flag. Not yet. No dominating forward, the backline is not cohesive and lacks a little talent in some areas, and the fringe players are still that - fringe.

This game has helped me to see the light. Next year will be a good year if we trade well and young players improve. This year will not be.

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Won't be 0-5

Head case city at end of second quarter and third quarter
Sick of being intimidated by hawks cats collingwood
How many bloody easy goals did they get
No one in forward line will take responsibility always want to dish it off if more than 45 meters out
Keep losing close games
Lose when in front at three quarter time
Lose when we are behind
Sick of being close honourable losses are still losses
Lucky it's Mick any other coach would be under extreme pressure
Bad kicking for goal as usual

I didn't even see the game live but I'm guessing as sure as eggs that Marcus Davies was one of those 3 players that went to spoil Stokes and allowed free reign for Motlop to kick the sealer.

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Winston Churchill

A first-gamer showed more passion and grit than the whole @#$%&! lot of em

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Lucas was a liability tonight. Cons far outweighed the pros. Refuses to put his body on the line and it stands out like dogs balls.

AJ is a goer but is simply not up to it. Sam for Davies.

Have always loved Simmo but FMD he is flower terrible at the moment.

The problem is we are so easy to score against and we still cannot halt any sort of run on.

Can forgot about finals this year.

Thought AW was great tonight. Except for that last dropped mark...

And as solid as Judd was, why is he so hesitant to tackle?

At this point, Gibbs can piss off too. Soft as butter with no intensity whatsoever.

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We are on our way back...

With Walker