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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:37 am 
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How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

wel cos we have a million half back flankers we have a million options.
ins and outs are usually hbfers.

we need to settle down a back six and forget about the others till injuries

a defensive half edge??.... give him a bit.. you wanted ratts to have more time... ony cos his name was ratten.... if it was knights youd have caled him out when i did

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:08 am 
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club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:15 am 
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We need to be active because whoever was the idiot that re-signed joseph on that contract and put us up to the cap so we couldnt trade or acquire during free agency period in October should be sacked
criminal that q ball was one of the reasons we lost yesterday and bloody carringbush got him for next to nothing -russell not very good yesterday but we got nothing for him in the trade period -yet he is playing on the half backline of a top 4 team
Why is waite on a big 3 year contract when he has averaged 12 games for the last 3 seasons
Not only does our on field work need improving the off field also needs some adroit planning- not good enough


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:15 am 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

wel cos we have a million half back flankers we have a million options.
ins and outs are usually hbfers.

we need to settle down a back six and forget about the others till injuries

a defensive half edge??.... give him a bit.. you wanted ratts to have more time... ony cos his name was ratten.... if it was knights youd have caled him out when i did


I have been onto the players for a long time. Never been one to go the coach up until now. I am enjoying it i have to say. I can see where you got your kicks for the last decade.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:18 am 
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club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:22 am 
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Outback Blue wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:30 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
We need to be active because whoever was the idiot that re-signed joseph on that contract and put us up to the cap so we couldnt trade or acquire during free agency period in October should be sacked
criminal that q ball was one of the reasons we lost yesterday and bloody carringbush got him for next to nothing -russell not very good yesterday but we got nothing for him in the trade period -yet he is playing on the half backline of a top 4 team
Why is waite on a big 3 year contract when he has averaged 12 games for the last 3 seasons
Not only does our on field work need improving the off field also needs some adroit planning- not good enough


Wait, Frank... you can't say the unfathomable! That would mean several years that we can't get back and, perhaps, no Carlton premiership for Judd - that can't be true! No - the players are just soft and if anyone can turn it around Malthouse can...



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:31 am 
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true club but to come in and just whack the playing group might have led to a disaster - better to come in, say 'I'll support these blokes' and then start to carve them up from the inside.

I am relatively happy so far. What I thought last year (the bottom 6 or so)
3 ruckmen is 1 too many (unless a rookie developing)
and we need some tough players is still evident.

yet in patches we play excellent football - same as under Ratts. It will be what this side is like at the end of this year and through the trade that will really see where we are at.

Plus I hope 1 or 2 of Buckley, McInness, McCarthy, and 1 or 2 or this years draft are regulars.

For now MM is discovering the collective nature of this group, then he will make decisions... or he'll be another to go...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:54 am 
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club29 wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


Club

You can analyse the list until the cows come home, but when MM came in there was no salary cap room nor list space to do any trading. Its not his fault the clubs list management is inept. I would suggest that trade week at the end of this year might be a different story though :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:17 pm 
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Travis Cloke got offerred 5 years x 1 million. Someone identified what we needed, we just could not land him.
Melbourne were very active at the trade table last year.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:25 pm 
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woof wrote:
Travis Cloke got offerred 5 years x 1 million. Someone identified what we needed, we just could not land him.
Melbourne were very active at the trade table last year.


IF that offer was made, it was prior to the club knowing about the AFL backflip on Judds contract....... I cant recall the FA status of Cloke, but we would of likely had to appeas collingwood in some way for it to get through. We had nothing to give....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:27 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
club29 wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


Club

You can analyse the list until the cows come home, but when MM came in there was no salary cap room nor list space to do any trading. Its not his fault the clubs list management is inept. I would suggest that trade week at the end of this year might be a different story though :wink:


Ruckman? He could have watched the tapes and identified those that crumbled when games were there to be won and looked for a good honest trade to bring in some attitude if not talent as the talent we have lacks the attitude.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:31 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

wel cos we have a million half back flankers we have a million options.
ins and outs are usually hbfers.

we need to settle down a back six and forget about the others till injuries

a defensive half edge??.... give him a bit.. you wanted ratts to have more time... ony cos his name was ratten.... if it was knights youd have caled him out when i did


I have been onto the players for a long time. Never been one to go the coach up until now. I am enjoying it i have to say. I can see where you got your kicks for the last decade.

I'm not worried Mick will be as clueless as ratten club-
He wouldn't have survived.
Ratts only was given the job and survived as long add he did on the back of his mates

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:33 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?

:lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:42 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?


Hi Moshe,
You come across more the face painter type than me. Wont hear a bad word about a player. Your heroes. You should do one of your timeline posts on them. I can live with the zzzz, booooring and broken record comments. They are facts. The rest of your post you are attempting a Synbad and jamming words in my mouth. Leave that to the expert i would suggest.

Average press conference. Just admit it.

ps Don't bring up Gibbs :hitcomputer: - As an experiment watch yesterdays game again and then last years round 3 game and take notes re Gibbs. Brings up some interesting things to ponder for all of us.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:43 pm 
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club29 wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
club29 wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


Club

You can analyse the list until the cows come home, but when MM came in there was no salary cap room nor list space to do any trading. Its not his fault the clubs list management is inept. I would suggest that trade week at the end of this year might be a different story though :wink:


Ruckman? He could have watched the tapes and identified those that crumbled when games were there to be won and looked for a good honest trade to bring in some attitude if not talent as the talent we have lacks the attitude.


I'd suggest must clubs would be envious of our ruck stocks, so not sure what you mean? At any rate in order to bring someone in via a trade you have to have list space and salary cap room, which by all accounts we did not have....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:46 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
woof wrote:
Travis Cloke got offerred 5 years x 1 million. Someone identified what we needed, we just could not land him.
Melbourne were very active at the trade table last year.


IF that offer was made, it was prior to the club knowing about the AFL backflip on Judds contract....... I cant recall the FA status of Cloke, but we would of likely had to appeas collingwood in some way for it to get through. We had nothing to give....


Travis has confirmed an offer was made, he has confirmed that our offer was higher than the Pies offer but miraculously he has landed a 5 year contract at Channel 9.
His free agency status was that the Pies would have to match our offer or let him walk free. I'd say that they would have gone close to matching it with Collingwood contract and Channel 9 contract.
My point to all of this is that you target something that you really need and go for it otherwise do nothing, work with what you have because you picked them.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Sorry. What's a "face painter type"? And what's a "timeline post"?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:10 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Sorry. What's a "face painter type"? And what's a "timeline post"?


Timeline post like that one you did on your feelings on Ratts over the years. When you asked everyone for a reaction posts later.

Facepaint :- No 1 on each cheek is it? Next to a big CFC?

Just having a laugh. A shot back at your " flat earth" and "cheer squad" comments. You seem to have it in for me lately.
We could do this all day. Don't take it too serious.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:15 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
club29 wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
club29 wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:

IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


Club

You can analyse the list until the cows come home, but when MM came in there was no salary cap room nor list space to do any trading. Its not his fault the clubs list management is inept. I would suggest that trade week at the end of this year might be a different story though :wink:


Ruckman? He could have watched the tapes and identified those that crumbled when games were there to be won and looked for a good honest trade to bring in some attitude if not talent as the talent we have lacks the attitude.


I'd suggest must clubs would be envious of our ruck stocks, so not sure what you mean? At any rate in order to bring someone in via a trade you have to have list space and salary cap room, which by all accounts we did not have....


Wouldnt the trade balance out the SC if done well? Out 300,000 in 300,000 contract? That envy may have got us a good deal. One too many rucks on decent contracts.


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