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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:44 pm 
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Looked to me like Collingwood just knew if they took us on in the last qtr they'd win. They played very confidently & just knew they could force us into our shells unfortunately. As others ahve said, 10 day break to 7....I don't think the issue was fitness, more mental strength. And that's a problem that won't get any easier next week against the best at it.

On the plus side like others I thought Lucas was pretty good, used his pace to advantage on a few occasions & disposal was better this week.

Solid debut from Sam Rowe. Thought he rucked well in the 3rd qtr.

I'm worried about Levi. I would dearly love to see him do well but the reality is that run of good games last year was against poor opposition. I have never been a fan of moving Hendo fwd but starting to think we might have to.

Thought it was a great, physical game of footy. Result aside, thought it was good to watch

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:44 pm 
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Have to say I'm surprised at the savage responses to our performance. Save for the last quarter, I was happy with how the boys fought it out and it was a marked improvement over last week. That said though, I'm still pissed that we lost for the obvious reasons.

Without going into all the details, the following things cost us in the end:
1) Umpiring. Some of the worst I've seen. One of those cases where it was the ones they DIDN'T pay. All day filth players were throwing the ball and holding/pushing our guys around, yet never penalised. !@#$%& disgrace.
2) Tackles. Will there ever be a time when we actually apply tackles that rock the opposition, not allowing them all the time in the world to dish off, or shrug us off?
3) Our obligatory 20-min snooze.


Vigorous, vigorous co-sign, Don.

Couldn't fault the effort, thought we were miles in front of last week. We were absolutely jobbed by the umps today.

Davies and Bootsma need to go, and if Laids isn't right he can go too. And casboult for that matter. Offered nothing.

Really can't understand how negative the response has been, thought we were battling against 25 today.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:49 pm 
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For all the oohing and ahiing about Kreuzer he had 13 touches and no goals for the game. Heaps of hit outs but he rucked against midgets. Don't expect him to dominate hit outs again.

Doesn't do enough. His opponent had 24 touches. Yeah he does some nice things but he doesn't do ENOUGH things.

He is simply not productive.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:53 pm 
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Looked to me like Collingwood just knew if they took us on in the last qtr they'd win. They played very confidently & just knew they could force us into our shells unfortunately. As others ahve said, 10 day break to 7....I don't think the issue was fitness, more mental strength. And that's a problem that won't get any easier next week against the best at it.

On the plus side like others I thought Lucas was pretty good, used his pace to advantage on a few occasions & disposal was better this week.

Solid debut from Sam Rowe. Thought he rucked well in the 3rd qtr.

I'm worried about Levi. I would dearly love to see him do well but the reality is that run of good games last year was against poor opposition. I have never been a fan of moving Hendo fwd but starting to think we might have to.

Thought it was a great, physical game of footy. Result aside, thought it was good to watch


I think hendo gives us poise and clean ball use out of the backline. Something we dearly lack.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:54 pm 
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Thought Rowe presented all right, but his first touch is ordinary, and skills below the knees are borderline non-existent.

Warnock and Hampson are a better combination than Rowe and Casboult. Simplistic way to look at it, I know, but we'd win more games out of dominating the ruck than we would the other two playing dominant games forward

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:56 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Have to say I'm surprised at the savage responses to our performance. Save for the last quarter, I was happy with how the boys fought it out and it was a marked improvement over last week. That said though, I'm still pissed that we lost for the obvious reasons.

Without going into all the details, the following things cost us in the end:
1) Umpiring. Some of the worst I've seen. One of those cases where it was the ones they DIDN'T pay. All day filth players were throwing the ball and holding/pushing our guys around, yet never penalised. !@#$%& disgrace.
2) Tackles. Will there ever be a time when we actually apply tackles that rock the opposition, not allowing them all the time in the world to dish off, or shrug us off?
3) Our obligatory 20-min snooze.


Vigorous, vigorous co-sign, Don.

Couldn't fault the effort, thought we were miles in front of last week. We were absolutely jobbed by the umps today.

Davies and Bootsma need to go, and if Laids isn't right he can go too. And casboult for that matter. Offered nothing.

Really can't understand how negative the response has been, thought we were battling against 25 today.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:59 pm 
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Thought Rowe presented all right, but his first touch is ordinary, and skills below the knees are borderline non-existent.


Do you think he'll be at the club next year Rhino? I'd say no.

Well done on game #1 though Sam. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:06 am 
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Thought Rowe presented all right, but his first touch is ordinary, and skills below the knees are borderline non-existent.

Warnock and Hampson are a better combination than Rowe and Casboult. Simplistic way to look at it, I know, but we'd win more games out of dominating the ruck than we would the other two playing dominant games forward


It might be the right ruck/forward combination may be something MM is toying with.

Would he go back to Warnock, Hampson, Kreuz and no actual forward?

I don't see it. I reckon he's got no choice but to include Rowe or, at some later date, one or two of Waite, Mitchell, MCarthy, White OR find someone who can play KPB (maybe Rowe) so he can release Henderson to the forward line.

The KPF isn't just a marking target he has to be able to lock it in and maybe ruck. Casboults rucking and tackling have probably got him selected to this point, can Kreuz and Hampson hold the ball in the forward 50?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:19 am 
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the game was lost at the opening bounce to the last quarter when collingwood started with a loose man back. their loose man created an overlap, and we could never man up on him, because our loose man (walker) was guarding space 40m out from their goal, watching as the ball got kicked straight over his head for a score. when we were going forward, our loose man stayed in the back 50, creating no overlap, but giving them an extra player to apply pressure on our ball carriers - leading to turn overs. also, as walker was back, we were missing a key forward target, until finally hendo went up there, but many times we were left sprinting towards goal, with no one to kick it to except a bomb onto yarran's head.

it took MM until about the 18 minute mark to man up the loose man, but the loose man kept getting loose because we weren't tight enough.

everyone posted concerns about playing davies and he had another howler. from all reports, he didn't even play that well in the northern blues to deserve a spot. he really adds no positives to the team - poor skills, average defender at best. he should be gone by season's end along with AJ. i think bootsma has more upside, and just needs to develop a bit more confidence. he looks shaky when he gets the ball, and seems like he doesn't really want to lead or create an option to receive a possession, for fear of stuffing it up. hopefully he can get over that, as he seems good at reading the play and spoiling his opponent.

i thought the first 3 quarters were pretty positive, and until that move at 3/4 time, we were on track to get the win.

was glad to see JR playing for the opposite side. i think he had about 7 goals kicked on him today.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:20 am 
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Lucas spent most of the match on obrien. Gibbs went onto him half way through the third quarter when he was cutting us up. Then Lucas back in the last.
We lost because of lack of poise.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:37 am 
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The amount of players who lost their feet was a joke. From memory Armfield, Bell, Robinson, Simpson, Carrazzo, Tuohy and maybe a couple more did it multiple times.....I've always seen losing your feet or diving for effort as a weak cop out to give up on the contest. Not all of the instances today were, but they was definitely a few.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:23 am 
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We have alot of dishonesty amongst our players ... watch at the stoppages ... most times we get first touch, but we get the fumbles and lose possession ... why ??? ... because the player with that first touch has no confidence that his team mates will block/shepherd/protect ... why ??? ... because that player with that first touch doesn't block/shepherd/protect when it is his turn to do so. It starts with you CAPTAIN.

The key component of any strong team unit is going about your job KNOWING every one else is doing their's.

We have some very good INDVIDUAL players but we are far from a unit.


Also in todays game we virtually had no link between our midfield and defence both in an attacking sense and a defensive one.

Collingwood's forwards thrusts were a combination of their defence linking up with their midfield ... their attacks looked more menacing ... they had numbers behind their forward thrusts.

And finally we had some shocking match ups ... Elliot was involved in 14 score involvements.



That's a great point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:21 am 
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Are we the only team in the comp that doesnt switch the ball to the open side if the ground to create space .
If at times yesterday if we just showed a little composure with the footy and hung onto it I think we would have won .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:42 am 
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Are we the only team in the comp that doesnt switch the ball to the open side if the ground to create space .
If at times yesterday if we just showed a little composure with the footy and hung onto it I think we would have won .


There isn't much of a system bringing the ball forward except for bomb it long and hope Jeff crumbs it. Bomb it long to the opposition loose man and watch it get taken down the other end.

Interesting looking at our backline yesterday....who was meant to be the running half back who has pace and can work through a zone? Without Yarran there it really is a defence bereft of any genuine zone breaking ability. Lots of negating types who aren't great kicks and don't have great pace.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:59 am 
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Angry losing to Cwood and we were better side for 3 qtrs. Bigger picture is we are improving. Was very happy w effort. Lack of depth cost us in the end.

Henderson up forward made a difference when he was there.
For consistency Walker must play HB with stints up forward when needed
Rowe is a very handy back up ruck/forward
Lucas needs to learn how to tackle :hitcomputer: but is improving
McLean a concern as game gets quicker
Kruezer awesome. Needs to play ruck and ruck only
Jamo good
Midfield was very good.

Be much better as players get better in style required. MM is sorting through players and when Waite, Scotland, Ellard, Graham, Menzel, McCarthy, Betts, Hampson, OKeefe, Collins, McInnes are available we will be a better side.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:47 am 
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bluedog wrote:
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Thought Rowe presented all right, but his first touch is ordinary, and skills below the knees are borderline non-existent.


Do you think he'll be at the club next year Rhino? I'd say no.

Well done on game #1 though Sam. :thumbsup:


I think he'll stay on the basis that he should get a few games strung together against ordinary opposition coming up in the absence of Waite, and the likelyhood that Mitchell and possibly Watson or even McCarthy would go ahead of him. Don't think we can delist that many talls in one go, without anything decent coming back in return.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:15 am 
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For all the oohing and ahiing about Kreuzer he had 13 touches and no goals for the game. Heaps of hit outs but he rucked against midgets. Don't expect him to dominate hit outs again.

Doesn't do enough. His opponent had 24 touches. Yeah he does some nice things but he doesn't do ENOUGH things.

He is simply not productive.


..didn't get as many touches, cos he's the only guy we have that regularly plays team orientated football, and is less concerned about his individual game [racking up possession], as he is doing the team things [blocking, shepherding].. ..his tackles stick, he crunches opponents, and plays with heart.. ..and one of the few players that chases and runs and works hard both ways all game long..

..saying he's not productive is, quite frankly, a joke..

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:19 am 
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What did everyone make of Murphy's game yesterday?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:24 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
What did everyone make of Murphy's game yesterday?



Nice goal. :smile:

And two hands for beginners. :oops:

Hope to high heaven that the team show total respect towards their captain.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:27 am 
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It's simple if we had betts we would have won by 3 goals


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