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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:22 pm 
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Davies and Armfield have to go. Davies not up to it, Armfield great endeavour but disposal not up to AFL standard, you can't afford a player like that. Robbo's kicking is a worry too.

Ah well, glass half full, we are playing reasonable footy, sorting out the wheat from the chaff, now for a few wins.



Armfield was far from our worst. His hardness, speed and tackling ability alone make him more valuable than a lot of players who have lined up in round 1 and 2.


Was a great last qtr.. and the pies just simply out ran and out played us. The umpiring in the first 3 qtrs was some of the worst ive ever seen. Some of the missed calls were absolute !@#$%& robbery.
Last qtr was good (with the exception of the missed Armfield 'in the back' call... which might have very well cost us the game).

We need players like Bell, Robbo and Armfield to string more games together alongside one another to compliment Murphy, Lucas and Simpson who are VERY MUCH vanilla outside players.

I feel like if it didnt rain we would have one. Judd couldnt pick up the ball to save his life.


Looked a lot better this week, but still SO much to work on.

One what?



One win :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:22 pm 
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eagles getting pumped at home erases a tiny piece of my fury at our heap of shit game

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:24 pm 
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Now I have calmed a bit

Starting to think that this year is a learning year for our guys where Mick is seeing who can cut the mustard and who can not

top 8 may be beyond us but I will take it as long as this year is in fact a learning year

Have faith that those in charge know what they are doing but gee it would of been nice to win that one


MM was hired to take us to top 4.

He said last year he was happy with the list

Implying that he was happy keeping Joseph and Davies types on the list.

If we aren't top 6 at the end of the season it's a massive fail.

How often do you get to take on a team without a recognised ruckman?

Good teams capitalise.

Teams with Kreuzer/Gibbs/Judd/Murphy/Bell/MClean/Robinson/Carrazzo....should be able to capitalise against a team with no ruckman!


Fair call however our list is nowhere near as good as other clubs , remember also not much could be done as far as list management due to salary cap pressure

Just think priority this year is to sort list out

In saying that I agree we should of won once Jolly went down

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:25 pm 
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Good teams capitalise when the opposition ruckman goes down early.

Stop making @#$%&! excuses!

We were playing a team without Ball, Beams, Thomas, Krakouer.

A team that had it's ruckman go down early

A team that was playing b grade types like Elliott, Dwyer, Sinclair, Russell and Seedsman.

And who did we have out?

@#$%&! piss weak!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:26 pm 
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Disgraceful. Not because we lost, but because they went into their shells and were soft. When it came time to put their heads over the ball (talking to you Bryce Gibbs) or gut run to provide another option (hello Brock McLean), they were found wanting.

A case of too many expecting too few to get the team over the line. Not impressed.


I agree but wouldn't single out anyone. The effort in the last wasn't there. Dont know if it was lack of ability or lack of will. They looked very tired when I would have thought we should have the legspeed in the last.

MM should have known their game plan. Chip and hold around the boundary until it opens up and then run through the F50 or kick it to Cloke. Once upon a time, footy was played man on man. Everybody had an opponent and the backs played in front and then defended goal side when they had to and the forwards tried to get in front. It was a mortal sin to let your man get loose. And the back pocket player covered the goal line when the FB ran down the field.

So why doesn't the coach revert to man on man when the opposition is just chipping to a loose man 20 metres away all the way down the ground? It's bloody obvious to many of us that the best way to defend the kickout isn't to put a zone in that lets the kick in go to a loose man and then another one and than another one. Coaches are obsessed with zoning the kick in. Well it didn't work this week, Mick. Or last week for that mater. And then there was te way the Lions justt ran riot the week before that. Sometimes you just HAVE to pick up a man and beat him in an individual marking or ground level contest and then have the composure to kick it to someone who has managed to get a metre free.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:26 pm 
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The only negatives I have are Davies, Boots, Bell and Simmo. All walking turnovers.

We ran out of legs, but I thought we fought the game out.

Mick is learning quickly about certain players when the going gets tough.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:26 pm 
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Stop making !@#$%& excuses!


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Stop overreacting

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:26 pm 
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Damn this site is starting to look like Bigfooty.
my guess is most on here thought we would lose by plenty. This time last year we beat a pies team with a new coach by ten goals. Seemed better structurally. I think we are gonna be ok. Long way to go.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:27 pm 
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On top at the last change, no excuses, thought Judd really let us down, had friends though

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:27 pm 
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Good game of footy. If we learn anything from it, it has to be that we need to take control of the footy and chip it sometimes to a loose man. They showed us how to do it last quarter and then opened us up with run. In reply we kicked it long to the forwards as usual and they just went two and three up to spoil.


Good observation. The thing we need to do if we're going to bomb it long is get numbers to the fall of the ball. Our players don't work hard enough to get up and down the field.


Yep. Totally outclassed in final qtr.

Easy to do in hindsight but Duigan may have offered more than Laidler today who looked underdone.


The majority of TC were calling it a disgrace when Laidler wasn't played last week.

Gee, maybe its obvious now why he wasnt

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:27 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Good teams capitalise when the opposition ruckman goes down early.

Stop making !@#$%& excuses!

We were playing a team without Ball, Beams, Thomas, Krakouer.

A team that had it's ruckman go down early

A team that was playing b grade types like Elliott, Dwyer, Sinclair, Russell and Seedsman.

And who did we have out?

!@#$%& piss weak!


+1

Boots, Touhey and Davies back to the 2's next week. Welcome back Scotland, maybe Buckley and.......

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:28 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Good teams capitalise when the opposition ruckman goes down early.

Stop making !@#$%& excuses!

We were playing a team without Ball, Beams, Thomas, Krakouer.

A team that had it's ruckman go down early

A team that was playing b grade types like Elliott, Dwyer, Sinclair, Russell and Seedsman.

And who did we have out?

!@#$%& piss weak!


Are we a good team though ?
We are a lot weaker than some other sides list wise
You over rate our list and your expectations are to high

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:28 pm 
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We have no system to set up a loose man and move the ball forward via short kicking

It is all bomb it long, hope to crumb and run it in.

It is highlighted in the inside 50 stats...64 inside 50s to Collingwood...just shows we can't maintain possession.

Can't maintain possession because we have too many poor kicks. Because we have no system to get players free and work the ball forward.


We don't work for each other.
An example is when we lead to the pocket/flank but call for the ball when someone is loose in the middle.
point out the better option for christ sake.
Lead your opponent away from your team mate for the good of the whole team. :screwy:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:28 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Good teams capitalise when the opposition ruckman goes down early.

Stop making !@#$%& excuses!

We were playing a team without Ball, Beams, Thomas, Krakouer.

A team that had it's ruckman go down early

A team that was playing b grade types like Elliott, Dwyer, Sinclair, Russell and Seedsman.

And who did we have out?

!@#$%& piss weak!


Are we a good team though ?
We are a lot weaker than some other sides list wise
You over rate our list and your expectations are to high

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:29 pm 
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Kreuzer, Garlett, Yarran were brilliant.

Lucas, aside from his tackling, was good IMO.

Rowe and Casboult were serviceable, did the job without huge stats.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:29 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Stop making !@#$%& excuses!


:roll:

Stop overreacting


Stop making excuses.

Pathetic performance that they could not take advantage of having Kreuzer ruck against a spud like Q Lynch. A team with Ball/Krakouer/Beams/Thomas missing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:30 pm 
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hands not clean enough
too many broken tackles
no composure with the ball
i like Sammy Rowe. reckon he'll be alright

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:31 pm 
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Macfart wrote:
Effes wrote:
Good teams capitalise when the opposition ruckman goes down early.

Stop making !@#$%& excuses!

We were playing a team without Ball, Beams, Thomas, Krakouer.

A team that had it's ruckman go down early

A team that was playing b grade types like Elliott, Dwyer, Sinclair, Russell and Seedsman.

And who did we have out?

!@#$%& piss weak!


Are we a good team though ?
We are a lot weaker than some other sides list wise
You over rate our list and your expectations are to high


Then why would you sack Ratten then if you think the list is average? Surely he would then get a pass mark for last year given the injuries?

If we are at a stage where we should rebuild why the @#$%&! are they spending huge dollars a) Paying out Ratten (and Richardson/Williams/Riley) and then b) Spending a mint getting Malthouse across. Surely Malthouse would be hired because the club thinks we are close to success.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:32 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Stop making !@#$%& excuses!


:roll:

Stop overreacting


He's not alone...its an overreactathon!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:32 pm 
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I thought it was a great game for excitement; until the umpiring bias and tiredness wore us down.....whatever happened to ''Holding the Ball''?........... :mad:

Bootsma is not up to this level; and Juddy doesn't seem to have the same lust for the ball that he had in the past.....Carrots was quiet; and we missed Eddie's input desperately.....even with all of his faults; oh for a Fevola!

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